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Reprocessing - What is Going On?
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Slicr
#1 - 2014-08-09 01:39:38 UTC
I was reprocessing the following module:
100mm Reinforced Crystalline Carbonide Plates I

The breakdown was:
Trit: 372 units Pyerite: 112 units Mex: 154 units Iso: 21 units Nocx: 1 unit Zydrine: 1 unit

The info window showed:
55% yield
50% - base yield
x1.1 - bonus from Scrapmetal Processing
x1.0 - reduction from Station owner tax

I decided to buy the Zainou 'Beancounter' Reprocessing RX-804 implant to get the added 4% reprocessing wastage reduction.

Plug everything in and looked at reprocessing the same module

The breakdown was exactly the same without the implant
The only difference was the info window showed the implant with the added 4% wastage reduction in the calculation

The info window showed:
55% yield
50% - base yield
x1.1 - bonus from Scrapmetal Processing
x1.04 - bonus from Zainou 'Beancounter' Reprocessing RX-804
x1.0 - reduction from Station owner tax


The info for the implant has
A neural Interface upgrade that boosts the pilots reprocessing skills.

4% reduction in reprocessing waste.

so why did it not provide 4% more materials on the higher volumes of Trit, Pyerite, etc - I know why for Nocx + Zydrine?

After I bought the implant and saw that nothing happened I looked at the Attributes window of the implant and saw that there was a sentence that read
Refining Yield Mutator 4%

but since Cruis release, the word refining is now reprocessing.

I got the feeling I spent $160m isk for just reprocessing rock.

- So is this a bug?;
- This implant should have a better description that is it only for Ore Reprocessing?;
- Working as intended?

Thanks for taking the time to read my short story.

I believe in being Pro-Active as Opposed to Reactive. Reactive tends to be more costly in time and money.
Atkyaz Dreadstalker
Killer Sea Monkeys
#2 - 2014-08-09 03:32:27 UTC
the implants do not affect reprocessing of modules or ships. the only skill that adds to that is the scrap metal skill. This was stated in the developer blog. nothing affects scrap metal except scrap metal.

Reproccessing anything other than raw materials got very heavily nerfed.
Robert Morningstar
Morningstar Excavations LTD
Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
#3 - 2014-08-09 04:41:48 UTC
You refine ore and ice you reprocess modules the description is correct you misread.
Slicr
#4 - 2014-08-12 20:09:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Slicr
Robert Morningstar wrote:
You refine ore and ice you reprocess modules the description is correct you misread.


As of the release of Crius - Refining is no longer used, it is all Reprocessing.

But even still, the implant description says reprocessing which still is and was (pre-Crius) melting modules.

I believe in being Pro-Active as Opposed to Reactive. Reactive tends to be more costly in time and money.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#5 - 2014-08-13 03:40:55 UTC
It may use the same word, but melting modules is now only affected by scrap metal skill.
Display bug telling you the implant does something, it doesn't.
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2014-08-13 05:35:53 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
It may use the same word, but melting modules is now only affected by scrap metal skill.
Display bug telling you the implant does something, it doesn't.



The guy does have a valid point. Since CCP change "reprocess everything" the implant should add to the reprocessing of non-ore related items.


I would write a petition saying you bought the implant because it said you get a bonus to reprocessing but it does not give a bonus to reprocessing. Only to reprocessing ore.

There are still a number of silly stupid things like this that are in the game that CCP have not updated yet (Want to know the compression values of ore but not have a reprocessing array setup to test with? Well don't use the compression blueprints and their values!) and they may help you out if you bought/installed the implant recently.
Wafflehead
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-08-21 13:21:31 UTC
Agreed, the implant is not working as described.

The description:
A neural Interface upgrade that boosts the pilots reprocessing skills.

4% reduction in reprocessing waste.

Would indicate that it gives you a 4% reduction in reprocessing... regardless of the item.. anything that goes into the reprocessing plant should get a 4% reduction.

However as stated the Attributes show:
Refining Yield Mutator 4%

I would think that they have forgotten to change the attributes, it should be a Reprocessing Yield Mutator as no 'refining' exists anymore.

I would post it in the issues forum.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#8 - 2014-08-21 17:20:52 UTC
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
Also, all refining skills and implants will now only affect ore and ices. Any item that’s not part of the two categories mentioned earlier (like ships and modules) will only be affected by the Scrapmetal Processing skill, which will be decreased from 5% to 2% efficiency per level. That means you’ll only be able to reprocess ships, modules and other items at only 50-55% rates.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/reprocess-all-the-things/
Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
#9 - 2014-08-21 18:38:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Aerie Evingod
Part of the problem is that CCP decided refining ore/ice and reprocessing modules/ships/everything else is to ambiguous or confusing so they went through the entire game and replaced refine/refined/refining with reprocess/reprocessed/reprocessing. Yet made an invisible distinction on which skills and implants affect different item type reprocessing.
Slicr
#10 - 2014-08-22 00:11:42 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
Also, all refining skills and implants will now only affect ore and ices. Any item that’s not part of the two categories mentioned earlier (like ships and modules) will only be affected by the Scrapmetal Processing skill, which will be decreased from 5% to 2% efficiency per level. That means you’ll only be able to reprocess ships, modules and other items at only 50-55% rates.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/reprocess-all-the-things/



They need to change the description for the implant and also have it not show up in the calculations when reprocessing non-ore and non-ice items

I believe in being Pro-Active as Opposed to Reactive. Reactive tends to be more costly in time and money.
Trandeharil
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-09-20 20:55:13 UTC
It doesn't work for ORE either. I have perfect refining skills and when i refine Veldspar it says

54% base yeild
x1.15 bonus forom reprocessing
x1.1 bonus from Reprocessing Efficiency
x1.1 Bonus from Ore processing skills average
x1.0 reduction from station owner tax.

Gives me a total of 75%

I plug in the Zainou 'Beancounter' Reprocessing RX-804 and it says

54% base yeild
x1.15 bonus from reprocessing
x1.1 bonus from Reprocessing Efficiency
x1.1 Bonus from Ore processing skills average
x1.04 bonus Zainou 'Beancounter' Reprocessing RX-804
x1.0 reduction from station owner tax.

Gives me a total of 75%

145m ISK implant for nothing at all :(
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-09-20 23:08:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Elena Thiesant
The display is bugged, the implant's effects aren't shown in the reprocessing window for ore, but they do take effect when you reprocess.

Just half way down the first page of this very forum:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374260

Gumballz Slackbladder wrote:
After checking the physical amount returned on reprocessing .. it appears to be just a graphics bug.

The yield returned is actually 78%, not 75% as it reads on the little yellow bar thingy.


So no, not 145 million ISK wasted.
Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#13 - 2014-09-21 00:07:09 UTC
Trandeharil wrote:
It doesn't work for ORE either. I have perfect refining skills and when i refine Veldspar it says

54% base yeild
x1.15 bonus forom reprocessing
x1.1 bonus from Reprocessing Efficiency
x1.1 Bonus from Ore processing skills average
x1.0 reduction from station owner tax.

Gives me a total of 75%

I plug in the Zainou 'Beancounter' Reprocessing RX-804 and it says

54% base yeild
x1.15 bonus from reprocessing
x1.1 bonus from Reprocessing Efficiency
x1.1 Bonus from Ore processing skills average
x1.04 bonus Zainou 'Beancounter' Reprocessing RX-804
x1.0 reduction from station owner tax.

Gives me a total of 75%

145m ISK implant for nothing at all :(



The little number in the top of the reprocessing box is broken

72% is max for high sec, but the increased minerals in ore by 38% to make what you get now with 50% base at 72% total, the same as what you used to get with 100%
Trandeharil
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-09-21 20:55:41 UTC
Kenneth Feld wrote:
Trandeharil wrote:
It doesn't work for ORE either. I have perfect refining skills and when i refine Veldspar it says

54% base yeild
x1.15 bonus forom reprocessing
x1.1 bonus from Reprocessing Efficiency
x1.1 Bonus from Ore processing skills average
x1.0 reduction from station owner tax.

Gives me a total of 75%

I plug in the Zainou 'Beancounter' Reprocessing RX-804 and it says

54% base yeild
x1.15 bonus from reprocessing
x1.1 bonus from Reprocessing Efficiency
x1.1 Bonus from Ore processing skills average
x1.04 bonus Zainou 'Beancounter' Reprocessing RX-804
x1.0 reduction from station owner tax.

Gives me a total of 75%

145m ISK implant for nothing at all :(



The little number in the top of the reprocessing box is broken

72% is max for high sec, but the increased minerals in ore by 38% to make what you get now with 50% base at 72% total, the same as what you used to get with 100%



I'm doing this in an alliance pos in NULL. You're right, it's just a display error. When I calculate it i'm actually getting 78% which by my math on a 54% station is what i should be getting.
Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#15 - 2014-09-21 21:56:47 UTC
[quote=Trandeharil
I'm doing this in an alliance pos in NULL. You're right, it's just a display error. When I calculate it i'm actually getting 78% which by my math on a 54% station is what i should be getting. [/quote]


Then you are getting MORE minerals than you were pre Crius, even though you are at 78%