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CCP Response Regarding SOMER Blink Concerns

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Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#501 - 2014-08-21 11:02:59 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
I can also think of reasons why the involved transactions are removed enough to not be RMT.


Please tell me how offering people extra isk if they buy PLEX through your affiliate link & sell it back to you is not actually an attempt to launder isk.

that was referring to the ISK payment made to article writers for TMC.

This is a unique case that is explicitly allowed by CCP as well as other things like graphic design and web development. In addition, the articles and content written cannot be resold for a profit.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#502 - 2014-08-21 11:04:10 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#503 - 2014-08-21 11:04:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
BigSako wrote:
So, technically EvENews24 and TheMittani are both RMT-ing, right?

ISK -> Writers
Writers -> Articles
Users read Articles and see advertisement on website
Mittani gets money for advertisement

http://i.imgur.com/i6L5GGY.png

just my .02 ISK.

Paying ISK to writers for articles and opinion pieces is explicitly allowed by CCP, as long as they're Eve related.
Monetisation of websites via ads is also OK with CCP as far as I know.

What isn't allowed is offering an ISK/ingame incentive to buy ETC/GTC from an affiliate, i.e. buying the resulting PLEX back at an inflated ISK price, when that affiliate gives you a RL cash kickback for every sale.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#504 - 2014-08-21 11:05:13 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
I can also think of reasons why the involved transactions are removed enough to not be RMT.


Please tell me how offering people extra isk if they buy PLEX through your affiliate link & sell it back to you is not actually an attempt to launder isk.

that was referring to the ISK payment made to article writers for TMC.


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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#505 - 2014-08-21 11:07:16 UTC
BigSako wrote:
So, technically EvENews24 and TheMittani are both RMT-ing, right?

ISK -> Writers
Writers -> Articles
Users read Articles and see advertisement on website
Mittani gets money for advertisement

http://i.imgur.com/i6L5GGY.png

just my .02 ISK.


Are you trying to imply that people should be banned because they got money when someone visited their website?

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Felicia Tennyson
Tennyson Court
#506 - 2014-08-21 11:09:07 UTC
+1 for CCP and CSM for making EvE a better world for the majority of the community and playerbase
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#507 - 2014-08-21 11:09:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
BigSako wrote:
So, technically EvENews24 and TheMittani are both RMT-ing, right?

ISK -> Writers
Writers -> Articles
Users read Articles and see advertisement on website
Mittani gets money for advertisement

http://i.imgur.com/i6L5GGY.png

just my .02 ISK.

Paying ISK to writers for articles and opinion pieces is explicitly allowed by CCP, as long as the articles are Eve related.
Monetisation of websites via ads is also OK with CCP as far as I know.

What isn't allowed is offering an ISK/ingame incentive to buy ETC/GTC from an affiliate, i.e. buying the resulting PLEX back from you at an inflated ISK price, when that affiliate gives you a RL cash kickback for every sale.

instead of RL cash as a kickback.. would something else be acceptable

like...Amazon credit? or maybe amazon coupon codes.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#508 - 2014-08-21 11:10:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
I find the goon forum spammers (andski et al) as boring as anyone else, but if anyone thinks that they as a group or mittens are involved in RMT, then simply report it to CCP.

Simply making unsubstantiated allegations in the forums is just forum trolling of the worse type.

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#509 - 2014-08-21 11:11:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
Mallak Azaria wrote:
BigSako wrote:
So, technically EvENews24 and TheMittani are both RMT-ing, right?

ISK -> Writers
Writers -> Articles
Users read Articles and see advertisement on website
Mittani gets money for advertisement

http://i.imgur.com/i6L5GGY.png

just my .02 ISK.


Are you trying to imply that people should be banned because they got money when someone visited their website?

yes i think that's the process he thinks should get labeled as RMT.

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Enaris Kerle
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#510 - 2014-08-21 11:15:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Enaris Kerle
Rain6637 wrote:
yes i think that's the process the thinks should get labeled as RMT.

The difference is that there's no ingame incentive for the people clicking TMC/EN24/Dotlan ads. None of those sites go around and tell people they'll get ISK if they click the ads, but Somer promised ISK in exchange for people buying stuff through his affiliate link.

If I put up an Amazon affiliate link, and tell people to buy stuff through there in exchange for me paying them ISK, that's of course RMT.

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Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#511 - 2014-08-21 11:15:33 UTC
Deka Ekato wrote:
CCP,

- "Edit. Thank you to CCP Falcon for answering to this edited question."
- What about CCP's involement in all of this?

I just feel that punnishing Somer is simply a start to fixing this SomerGate debarcle.



Just some more questions.

- Will CCP be taking any action in preventing this happening again?
- Will CCP be creating their own "casino" now that Somer is gone? ( Please do not do this. I don't want to see Eve turn into a casino. )
- Why was Somer not dealt with in the first place? ( I have an answer to this, but it would be nice to hear yours ).
- Will CCP endorse and allow some other creative person with a new scheme, in the future?

I really do feel, (and from what I understand), that Somer was not punished for RMT, (which he should be), but for some other reason(s).
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#512 - 2014-08-21 11:20:05 UTC
Deka Ekato wrote:
I really do feel, (and from what I understand), that Somer was not punished for RMT, (which he should be), but for some other reason(s).


There is basically 3 reasons he was punished. The first is the RMT, the second would be falsely claiming that the scheme as it is was CCP approved, the third would be publicly posting the private emails with CCP.

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Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#513 - 2014-08-21 11:21:43 UTC
I'm more wondering why it took players to bring the issue up in the first place. CCP was perfectly capable of visiting the site and looking at the new promotion (literally all they had to do was look at it), do they not keep close tabs on their affiliates?
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#514 - 2014-08-21 11:27:30 UTC
Hakaari Inkuran wrote:
I'm more wondering why it took players to bring the issue up in the first place. CCP was perfectly capable of visiting the site and looking at the new promotion (literally all they had to do was look at it), do they not keep close tabs on their affiliates?


I take it that you have no idea how many affiliates a company of the size such as CCP might have ?
Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#515 - 2014-08-21 11:28:55 UTC
Baneken wrote:
Hakaari Inkuran wrote:
I'm more wondering why it took players to bring the issue up in the first place. CCP was perfectly capable of visiting the site and looking at the new promotion (literally all they had to do was look at it), do they not keep close tabs on their affiliates?


I take it that you have no idea how many affiliates a company of the size such as CCP might have ?

Do you? Because I sure have no idea.
Citricioni
#516 - 2014-08-21 11:29:22 UTC
I think an official version of "SOMER Blink" would be the most appropriate variant ...
Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#517 - 2014-08-21 11:29:59 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Deka Ekato wrote:
I really do feel, (and from what I understand), that Somer was not punished for RMT, (which he should be), but for some other reason(s).


There is basically 3 reasons he was punished. The first is the RMT, the second would be falsely claiming that the scheme as it is was CCP approved, the third would be publicly posting the private emails with CCP.

It wasn't actually confirmed that RMT was one of the reasons.
aniel
Guardians of Toutatis
#518 - 2014-08-21 11:32:23 UTC
unbanned somerset
Enaris Kerle
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#519 - 2014-08-21 11:37:43 UTC
aniel wrote:
unbanned somerset

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Medalyn Isis
Doomheim
#520 - 2014-08-21 11:46:54 UTC
Shinnyo wrote:
So now that he's banned, can CCP give us an idea of how much ISK and ships were removed from the game? :D

This is what I am interested in.