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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#321 - 2014-07-09 16:12:54 UTC
Towaoc wrote:
Hey Chribba,

When you get a chance, may I have another reset? Getting ready for a remap soon and I want to make sure I've topped off all of my I/M categories first.

Sorry for the inconvenience, I seem to get the "Illegal Page Request" error rather frequently...

-T-

Done (and I blame CCP's api lol)

/c

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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#322 - 2014-07-09 16:31:06 UTC
a general 'thank you' to chribba. eveboard is equally awesome and affordable, and so are your other services.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Towaoc
Applied Technologies Inc
Agents of Fortune
#323 - 2014-07-10 03:15:11 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Done (and I blame CCP's api lol)

/c

Thanks Chribba!!
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#324 - 2014-07-14 15:27:07 UTC
I think mine needs a kick:

Time remaining -3d 12h 52m 40s (skill finished)
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#325 - 2014-07-15 06:14:57 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
I think mine needs a kick:

Time remaining -3d 12h 52m 40s (skill finished)

Fixed

/c

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Amateratsu
The Pegasus Project
#326 - 2014-07-20 07:56:43 UTC
Hi Chribba

Any eta on when the Certificate category's will be removed from EB?
Are they still part of the global rank calculation? or has that been updated now?

Currently we have 30? (35 with certs) category's included in the global rank...

Most SP
Number of Skills
Skills @ Lvl's 3, 4, and 5
Average Sp per skill
22 Skill group Catagory's
Most ISK
Highest Skill Value

Is this still correct?

Many Thanks
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#327 - 2014-07-20 08:51:38 UTC
I will try get around to do that. I believe they are a part in the formula right now, however everyone should be treated the same there with empty values, so it should not affect ranks in any way.

Beyond that the listed categories should be correct without having double-checked the code.

/c

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Amateratsu
The Pegasus Project
#328 - 2014-07-20 17:37:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Amateratsu
Chribba wrote:
I will try get around to do that. I believe they are a part in the formula right now, however everyone should be treated the same there with empty values, so it should not affect ranks in any way.

Beyond that the listed categories should be correct without having double-checked the code.

/c


Is the penalty for a no data category a fixed value or is it variable depending on other factors.

I recall reading that the penalty was multiplied by the # of no data ranks and the # of players ranked in the category for which you have no data.

I ask because I'm keeping a spread sheet of my progress in the ranks and some of the math does not add up.

for example if I add up my total score and then divide it by the 35 category's there is a difference of approx. 11,000 points compared to taking my global score (as displayed by EB) and * it by 35.

Whereas for Towaoc the difference is only around 4,000 pts.

As you say, we both have the same 5 no data category's, so I'm curious where the difference in penalty is coming from.

Not looking to get anything changed on EB, just trying to figure out where my math may be going wrong.

Atm I think I enjoy playing EB online more than EVE OnlineP

Anyways many thanks
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#329 - 2014-07-21 04:40:04 UTC
I'm sure it's my math that is ****** up haha.

Here's the formula for the Global Rank (and simply by posting it, I see I've made a mistake in it, it's more to it than the posted below since it's math in a db query)

(sum(ranked)+((5-count)*1000))/count = points


I feel EB really needs to get a better definition of how to calculate ranks, and one that is more dynamic right now bc it's a mess codewise.

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Cord Binchiette
Kzinti Hegemony
#330 - 2014-07-21 21:58:03 UTC
The people who re-roll still have daily online averages over 24 hours.

1. Gaming God (DoB 2012-08-25 16:49:14) 1d 8h 32m 00s
2. Jonkai (DoB 2013-11-27 07:52:41) 1d 4h 57m 48s
3. PEDRO LOBO (DoB 2013-11-27 07:52:41) 1d 4h 57m 48s
4. Donate MySupers (DoB 2013-02-18 17:29:48) 1d 2h 52m 37s
5. Anonymous 1d 2h 03m 08s

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#331 - 2014-07-23 07:00:18 UTC
Cord Binchiette wrote:
The people who re-roll still have daily online averages over 24 hours.

1. Gaming God (DoB 2012-08-25 16:49:14) 1d 8h 32m 00s
2. Jonkai (DoB 2013-11-27 07:52:41) 1d 4h 57m 48s
3. PEDRO LOBO (DoB 2013-11-27 07:52:41) 1d 4h 57m 48s
4. Donate MySupers (DoB 2013-02-18 17:29:48) 1d 2h 52m 37s
5. Anonymous 1d 2h 03m 08s


Yeah it's a problem since the account counts one single online-time, rather than per character. I tried to adjust that with adding restrictions to age but as you can see it doesn't work all the time and sorta never will as the online time goes up constantly, so I'd have to keep limiting the age of the character more and more to keep it under 1 day.

/c

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Dr Blindless
D.B. Investment Solutions Inc.
#332 - 2014-08-11 10:31:03 UTC
eveboard is not updating my info. Error message - "Automatic API Update disabled, Reason: Illegal page request! Please verify the access granted by the key you are using!"

Page: http://eveboard.com/pilot/Dr_Blindless
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#333 - 2014-08-11 20:37:43 UTC
Should be updating now Blindless.

/c

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Viggen
#334 - 2014-08-12 17:24:33 UTC
Workaround....

If when trying to view your character on Eveboard you get the message "Automatic API Update disabled, Reason: Illegal page request! Please verify the access granted by the key you are using!" you can simply create a new API key to use instead. Just copy/paste in the new key with the same settings etc, and save, job done.

This has happened to me a couple of times in the past few months, and doing this resolved the issue right away Cool
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#335 - 2014-08-14 07:22:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Chribba
Viggen's will work, the message indicates that the pilot got disabled when encountering the api error (something that can also happen when CCP's servers screw up). So a new key would auto enable it.


However, you can also just log on using your old key, and then simply press "Save Settings" on your pilot and it will be activated again.


/c

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Towaoc
Applied Technologies Inc
Agents of Fortune
#336 - 2014-08-16 17:39:15 UTC
Remap : P/W !

(stated with emphasis, as might be done for a thrilling move in a world-class chess match)

I'm long overdue to give some attention to Gunnery and Missile skills.

On a somewhat more interesting note, to follow some discussion above, I did a little reverse engineering of the null category penalty points for the top four characters in global ranking. There are minor differences:

Batack:

Null categories: 6 (certs plus level 3 skills)
Rank points per null category: 2284.60

Claire:

Null categories: 5 (certificates)
Rank points per null category: 2358.71

Viggen:

Null categories: 6 (certs plus level 3 skills)
Rank points per null category: 2129.95

Myself:

Null categories: 5 (certificates)
Rank points per null category: 2041.40

So, some variability from character to character, and also as the database grows. For comparison, the rank points per null category fell into a 1700 to 1800 point range about a year ago when I last looked.

Just a bit of data, no real conclusions other than that it's a pretty big penalty, one that I'm weighing carefully as I consider taking my remaining level 3 skills to level 4.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#337 - 2014-08-16 19:23:30 UTC  |  Edited by: RavenPaine
Towaoc wrote:
Remap : P/W !


Just a bit of data, no real conclusions other than that it's a pretty big penalty, one that I'm weighing carefully as I consider taking my remaining level 3 skills to level 4.



I've started on my 3's, and my ranking started moving backwards as I completed them. (Was up at rank 388 at my pinnacle)
I have about 6 months of them to complete.... kinda hurt when I realized how much time was involved, the rest of this year and then some.
The less 3's you have, the more it changes your average.
Not sure if it will affect the older players as much, but be prepared.

Yes, I am currently playing EB Online. Cool
Amateratsu
The Pegasus Project
#338 - 2014-08-17 13:35:13 UTC

It would seem that the lower you are in the ranking, the greater the penalty levied on you for null category's.

I'm currently ranked #48th with a penalty of approx. 4,250 per null category.

Amateratsu:

Null categories: 5 (certificates)
Rank points per null category: 4,250

This will only get worse as I continue to raise all my level 3 and below skills.

Unfortunately the penalty is a nessasary evil to keep younger players with dozens of null data category's from jumping to the top of the ranks due to low skillpoints.

Tho when Chribba does get round to removing the certificate category's the bulk of the penalty should be eliminated.
voetius
Grundrisse
#339 - 2014-08-21 08:34:13 UTC

Chribba, when you get a minute could you have a look at my eveboard please. The API seems to have gone AWOL again.

Is it worth me petitioning this to CCP? The problem seems to be on their end from what I've gathered reading the posts above from people with the same issue.
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#340 - 2014-08-21 09:10:13 UTC
Activated, and no think this is when CCP switches off their database or something then I rather be safe than sorry and disabled invalid keys directly. You can activate it manually by logging on with your api details and press save though.

Maybe I'll see if I should implement a retry state before disable the key though.

/c

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