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CCP Response Regarding SOMER Blink Concerns

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#421 - 2014-08-21 03:48:51 UTC
Whoa.

I haven't seen a goon circle jerk on this scale in a long time.

Don't stop now.

Mr Epeen Cool
Gregor Lachlan
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#422 - 2014-08-21 03:49:05 UTC
Sion Kumitomo wrote:
HarlyQ wrote:
Ban Bindy wrote:
Hava Heart wrote:
I would just like to thank the Members of CSM; Xander Pheona, Sion Kumitomo, and mynnna for showing us that its okay to mock, and insult other players of this community. Thank you for showing us what that CSM tag leads you to believe what you may do. I'm sure you lot do CCP Falcon proud. Thank you for showing us the professionalism as members of the CSM that we can come to expect.

Am I not allowed my opinion? I did not flame or denigrate anybody.

I posted simply to thank those who supported Somer over the years, To share what I saw from Somer as another player, however I can see that the CSM Members are out to even attack the staff of Somer.Blink, who at the end of the day are just normal everyday players such as yourselves.


I had pretty much the same reaction to the CSM replies. The whole affair felt pretty righteously handled until this page of the thread when the venom became so clear on the part of the really classy guys who responded to the earlier post. Bernie Madoff, really? That's a pretty strange comparison.

Not really bernie is a crook somer is a crook easy.1+1=2


You might even say that Somer Madoff with a lot of isk.


:smug:
Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#423 - 2014-08-21 03:49:56 UTC
Well I must say that the CSM as a whole has done a great job lately representing the community. A few of them pouncing on the first SOMERblink member on the other hand... not so great.
Hawkr Trimodian
E.O.O-S Legatus T.I.M.E. Holdings
#424 - 2014-08-21 03:51:09 UTC
Man this is so much fun, I think I found a new outlet for my Blink Addiction CoolCool
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#425 - 2014-08-21 03:54:42 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Whoa.

I haven't seen a goon circle jerk on this scale in a long time.

Don't stop now.

Mr Epeen Cool

The forces of good are allowed to celebrate their victories.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Hibbie
Black Omega Security
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#426 - 2014-08-21 03:56:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Hibbie
Hawkr Trimodian wrote:

Wait are you saying our CSM's swing both ways?


I can confirm that certain members of the CSM swing in non-binary ways.
Cameron Freerunner
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#427 - 2014-08-21 04:08:05 UTC
So. Many. Nested. Quotes
Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#428 - 2014-08-21 04:09:53 UTC
Hava Heart wrote:
I would just like to thank the Members of CSM; Xander Pheona, Sion Kumitomo, and mynnna for showing us that its okay to mock, and insult other players of this community. Thank you for showing us what that CSM tag leads you to believe what you may do. I'm sure you lot do CCP Falcon proud. Thank you for showing us the professionalism as members of the CSM that we can come to expect.

Am I not allowed my opinion? I did not flame or denigrate anybody.

I posted simply to thank those who supported Somer over the years, To share what I saw from Somer as another player, however I can see that the CSM Members are out to even attack the staff of Somer.Blink, who at the end of the day are just normal everyday players such as yourselves.

lol. I remember the 'professionalism' of Somer, Andrev, and the other lapdogs very well.

RIP in ****, Blink
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#429 - 2014-08-21 04:12:42 UTC
i mean really when you use alts to regurgitate the same crap that you've said with your somer characters while being massively rude about it you should stop putting on airs of "professionalism" because you're only making it obvious

Twitter: @EVEAndski

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commander aze
#430 - 2014-08-21 04:17:49 UTC
I firmly believe there have been mistakes on both sides of this. Somer blink provided content for many and I believe firmly that the content provided was worthwhile.

CCP has little to no business in telling us what we can or cannot do with plex ingame or out. Selling isk is against EULA and we all under stand this. However buying a plex off of a person who bought it from them from a site and exchanging plex for isk in that way is in no way against the EULA. That's CCP's mistake.

Now... Somer blinks posting of communications with CCP staff and other issues do warrant a ban of the client as per breech of the EULA. Stopping the service that thousands have enjoyed out of existence is both silly and stupid.

Not thrilled with how this was handled but then again my bar has been pretty low since catastrophic failure that was the launch of the covert sites.....

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Mrzev
Unlimited Pew
#431 - 2014-08-21 04:19:06 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

I don't really count ISK and Assets (meaning incredibly rare ships that are potentially worth hundreds of billions of ISK) as even remotely the same as a stack of PLEX.


If i can buy a PLEX for 800 Mill , a stack of 10 would be worth 8 Bill. If a rare ship (or all) could be sold for 400 Billion then that's 500 PLEXs. That is a big stack.

In any case, it seems like it's time for another RACI Review Meeting for CCP. Falcon (and the CCP), you did an awesome job handling this situation.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#432 - 2014-08-21 04:21:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
next up, people dig up the specter of the t20 scandal

maybe some boot.ini for flavor

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Montey Haul
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#433 - 2014-08-21 04:24:29 UTC
Brahan Seer wrote:
Hendrick Tallardar wrote:
So as to appease the people accusing sites like CrossignZebras.com, EVENews24.com, TheMittani.com etc. as well as tossing in EVE focused YouTube channels.

Is the promotion of using an Amazon referral link to buy PLEX, which would give a small percentage based kickback to the referrer a violation of any of CCP's policies? For example, I run the YouTube channel YouTube.com/UbaStij and after doing a video on say "How To Align Like A Pro" I mention there is an Amazon link in the description which leads to Amazon's store to buy a PLEX. I state "buying a PLEX through this Amazon link will help keep me operating this service for you the consumer." Is that permitted?

What if I operated the channel with several underlings who were compensated for their contributions in ISK and not through real money? Is it still permitted to promote purchasing through our Amazon referral link to maintain our overhead costs?

I know this has been answered previously, but some people make the assumption that doing so is no different than the scheme Somer Blink tried last year and this time around and I'd like to have CCP's stance. CSM can weigh in if they want but considering they aren't actually the policy makers it's not going to win people over in my assumption.



Ridiculous. You want fair than yeah you should be banned siggy creators should be banned killboards should be banned. They get isk and have an account business related. The EULA clearly states you can't have an EvE account or play EvE for business purposes. Do I think thats right? No. But its the rules so if were going to **** SomerBlink than everyone should get ****** equally for that is justice.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#434 - 2014-08-21 04:24:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
commander aze wrote:
I firmly believe there have been mistakes on both sides of this. Somer blink provided content for many and I believe firmly that the content provided was worthwhile.
Any content provided is 100% irrelevant in the face of the multiple EULA breaches. You don't get to break the rules just because you've entertained some small minority of people.

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CCP has little to no business in telling us what we can or cannot do with plex ingame or out. Selling isk is against EULA and we all under stand this. However buying a plex off of a person who bought it from them from a site and exchanging plex for isk in that way is in no way against the EULA.
It is if it's a quid-pro-quo for an real-money transaction. If you get some amount of ISK solely and entirely dependent on having given the other party real money, then it doesn't matter what mechanics were used in-game and it most definitely is CCP's business to tell us that it is not allowed.

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Stopping the service that thousands have enjoyed out of existence is both silly and stupid.
Well, that's Somer for you.
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#435 - 2014-08-21 04:25:41 UTC
Montey Haul wrote:
Brahan Seer wrote:
Hendrick Tallardar wrote:
So as to appease the people accusing sites like CrossignZebras.com, EVENews24.com, TheMittani.com etc. as well as tossing in EVE focused YouTube channels.

Is the promotion of using an Amazon referral link to buy PLEX, which would give a small percentage based kickback to the referrer a violation of any of CCP's policies? For example, I run the YouTube channel YouTube.com/UbaStij and after doing a video on say "How To Align Like A Pro" I mention there is an Amazon link in the description which leads to Amazon's store to buy a PLEX. I state "buying a PLEX through this Amazon link will help keep me operating this service for you the consumer." Is that permitted?

What if I operated the channel with several underlings who were compensated for their contributions in ISK and not through real money? Is it still permitted to promote purchasing through our Amazon referral link to maintain our overhead costs?

I know this has been answered previously, but some people make the assumption that doing so is no different than the scheme Somer Blink tried last year and this time around and I'd like to have CCP's stance. CSM can weigh in if they want but considering they aren't actually the policy makers it's not going to win people over in my assumption.



Ridiculous. You want fair than yeah you should be banned siggy creators should be banned killboards should be banned. They get isk and have an account business related. The EULA clearly states you can't have an EvE account or play EvE for business purposes. Do I think thats right? No. But its the rules so if were going to **** SomerBlink than everyone should get ****** equally for that is justice.


Must be a gambling addict or something.
Hendrick Tallardar
Doomheim
#436 - 2014-08-21 04:31:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Hendrick Tallardar
Montey Haul wrote:
Brahan Seer wrote:
Hendrick Tallardar wrote:
So as to appease the people accusing sites like CrossignZebras.com, EVENews24.com, TheMittani.com etc. as well as tossing in EVE focused YouTube channels.

Is the promotion of using an Amazon referral link to buy PLEX, which would give a small percentage based kickback to the referrer a violation of any of CCP's policies? For example, I run the YouTube channel YouTube.com/UbaStij and after doing a video on say "How To Align Like A Pro" I mention there is an Amazon link in the description which leads to Amazon's store to buy a PLEX. I state "buying a PLEX through this Amazon link will help keep me operating this service for you the consumer." Is that permitted?

What if I operated the channel with several underlings who were compensated for their contributions in ISK and not through real money? Is it still permitted to promote purchasing through our Amazon referral link to maintain our overhead costs?

I know this has been answered previously, but some people make the assumption that doing so is no different than the scheme Somer Blink tried last year and this time around and I'd like to have CCP's stance. CSM can weigh in if they want but considering they aren't actually the policy makers it's not going to win people over in my assumption.



Ridiculous. You want fair than yeah you should be banned siggy creators should be banned killboards should be banned. They get isk and have an account business related. The EULA clearly states you can't have an EvE account or play EvE for business purposes. Do I think thats right? No. But its the rules so if were going to **** SomerBlink than everyone should get ****** equally for that is justice.



https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4933917#post4933917

HTH

Hakaari Inkuran wrote:
Must be a gambling addict or something.


It's pretty sad so many people are so worked up over an internet pixel online-gambling site. Especially given that other sites fill the lottery niche as well.

However, in the off chance these people truly do have a gambling addiction I recommend they contact their local Gamblers Anonymous and similar support groups to help them fight such a detrimental drain on their personal lives.

http://www.gamblersanonymous.org/ga/locations
Jori McKie
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#437 - 2014-08-21 04:49:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Jori McKie
Annie Getyourgun wrote:
With the discussion of referrals and third party retailers fresh on the minds of many, will this open up internal discussion of changing the way referrals work?

I understand the theory behind referrals is to help community sites (such as Dotlan, or EVE University with their Wiki) offset costs of operation, something that CCP wishes to do as it helps both with exposure of the product as well as makes the community a richer place.

So with the elimination of ETC and the movement to PLEX exclusively, what is stopping a change in referral links to act the same way 21 day trial referrals work? I want to support a community site, and when I click on their referral link, I am directed to the EVE Account Management page, where I can purchase a PLEX and the referring site gets credit for their referral. What is preventing this scenario from becoming reality?


@CCP, read this very thoroughly and think about it. This would solve so many problems at once.


About CCP's decision and handling the Somer incident, good, you actually gained some trust points. The CSM proved they are worth their money ;), no pun intended. Great work CSM keep it up and we may see more players starting to vote again and gain confidence in you.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar
Montey Haul
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#438 - 2014-08-21 04:57:06 UTC
I think it's in pretty poor taste to rant over and over on someone that was given a huge grey area to operate in. For YEARs it was all fine. Now the petty trolls climb out of the woodwork and attack a part of the game that isn't even allowed a response in the same venue. Way to be righteous! Disrespect and low blows are what most folks expect when putting the truth in plain easy to read issues fail. Let's just continue to enjoy half the argument and call it non-biased. It's a game, there was an overwhelming show of favoritism and there will continue to be. Let's not call an apple an orange. Or if it makes you feel better.. do... Things got out of control. People with a long standing commitment to the EVE community were ridiculed and run out of the game. People have strong feelings on both sides and obviously not caring about how people address those feelings is not going to help anything at all.
Somer blink was a long standing part of the Eve community right or wrong that is true. Somer and staff all put a lot of hours to develop and entertain a lot of EVE players... <-Also true. If RMT is even a provable issue here is and where the concern should be placed. Not on picking needlessly at all the things that have no bearing on what actually happened.
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#439 - 2014-08-21 05:00:50 UTC
Montey Haul wrote:
I think it's in pretty poor taste to rant over and over on someone that was given a huge grey area to operate in. For YEARs it was all fine. Now the petty trolls climb out of the woodwork and attack a part of the game that isn't even allowed a response in the same venue. Way to be righteous! Disrespect and low blows are what most folks expect when putting the truth in plain easy to read issues fail. Let's just continue to enjoy half the argument and call it non-biased. It's a game, there was an overwhelming show of favoritism and there will continue to be. Let's not call an apple an orange. Or if it makes you feel better.. do... Things got out of control. People with a long standing commitment to the EVE community were ridiculed and run out of the game. People have strong feelings on both sides and obviously not caring about how people address those feelings is not going to help anything at all.
Somer blink was a long standing part of the Eve community right or wrong that is true. Somer and staff all put a lot of hours to develop and entertain a lot of EVE players... <-Also true. If RMT is even a provable issue here is and where the concern should be placed. Not on picking needlessly at all the things that have no bearing on what actually happened.

When the good guys win it's okay for us to celebrate.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
crimsonshank
Percussus Resurgo.
Ribbit.
#440 - 2014-08-21 05:03:32 UTC
Video of CCP - Soundwave at Fanfest telling the Audience to get in you need to be a member of SA to join goons proving they are RMTing and need to be banned swiftly and justly like Somer

http://youtu.be/j1sdTzj9iac?t=4m55s