Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Nope. I get into conflict with players regularly, and cause damages in the hundreds of millions of isk regularly to other players. That is Player Vs. Player gameplay, and you won't find any of it on my killboard.

The entire point of Eve, for you and your small coterie of like-minded fellows, is killmails. For the rest of Eve, it's the kill, or the isk, or the win.

It's also quite sad that you can't even be creative enough to just take a screenshot of the opened package next to the killmail, upload it to imgur and save a copy of the link if it's so incredibly important to you...

This is what I thought when i read this topic, that is a blockade runners job. imo
I did not untill know of this exploit, this should be fixed.

TMP tears best tears

Agreed with Bohneik on this one. Killmails are not the be all end all of Eve, otherwise you wouldn't see anyone flying a logi or an OGB.

Not to mention that someone could accept a courier contract, then realize they can't complete said contract personally, so they can sub contract the courier contract to someone who can run it to prevent them from losing the collateral.

They took the time to double wrap the package to keep you from viewing whats inside. The best part is that you can view any characters completed contracts history, whether it succeeded or failed. So if you can do a bit more effort, you can determine if the person is probably carrying something valuable or not.

I respectfully disagree with you on whether its an exploit or not, and responding to my position with a repeat of your position isnt going to chaing my perspective. That said, CCP has very clearly said its a non-issue (in other word its NOT an exploit).

None of this matters so long as you are clearly pushing a personal agenda that doesn't involve the vast majority of the rest of Eve. Learn to present your facts objectively.

Killmails of indeterminate value in non-combat ships are just as enticing as large isk numbers. If they're hiding their cargo during wartime, then they must clearly be moving something of value and will do so again, they would not obscure the fact if it weren't indeed a fact. If you wardec based upon previous wartime losses, this information is just as valuable as what they had in their cargo, because targets only come in two varieties: those who screw up, and those who don't.

Improve your OP, improve your suggestion, improve your profession, and the topic may get the right people's attention. Keep whining about how it's unfair to you, and the only thing that will get attention is, quite frankly, you.

CCP has declared it a non-issue, despite knowing that it conflicts with 3 mechanics. If you want it fixed, start explaining how to fix it and how it improves the game. Since CCP feels that the ability to hide cargo is acceptable which is clearly induced by your own statements, you will need to supplement double-wrapping with something else that is equally effective yet more directly tied in with the games mechanics, that does not remove the option to obscure cargo.

If your problem is that it is an exploit, then this shouldn't be an issue.

If your problem is that people can hide their cargo and CCP is okay with that, then cry some more please. We are all paying rapturous attention.

I agree that they need to fix the KM counter, so that it reflects accurately...

That being said, there needs to be a viable counter to cargo scanning BEFORE double wrapping gets removed.

Either that or freighters need to get more EHP because right now you break even if you gank freighters carrying 600,000,000 ISK. And those numbers are for a obelisk with perfect skills and reinforced bulkheads.

This means unless you can fly one, there is no safe way to haul a nestor from jita to dodixie without double wrapping

Something about that seems wrong, and until there is a good alternative, double wrapping needs to stay the way it is.

Pretty much
I mean ganking should be there, heck I just got fail ganked again and had a fun talk with the ganker. But my ability to survive and then get km is not available once you leave a small section of ships and fits. Freighters are now so killable that CODE gets even the empty ones- and oh look we are off topic again.


There really is no happy ground where you get to look into my boot and then have an appraisal done on it while I stand there watching you rifle through it like a most inept chav thinking it to be a sale booth. Double wrapping is what we normally call obeying physics and not peeking through solid materials or filching the shipping manifest.

If you want to get rid of double wraps hiding then your scanner should be a special ship and subject to a suspect flag for the rather obvious suspicious behavior involved in casing a target. Would be quite a bit more fair.
Oh and get rid of the current steal from wreck into a fleet hangar, that would be nice so i can start killing people who are stealing stuff again instead of shooting random rookie ships that can move whole BS several times themselves.

You keep saying it's broken but I have yet to see a proof of it. For all we know, it might be intended by CCP to work that way. As for the KM, once you fly logi, you start realizing they are worthless. ESPECIALLY on the attacker side since everybody somehow get's full credit for the exact same kill.

What's the value of your kills when anybody can get an exactly equal by standing close to your ships in the gank attempt in an Ibis and fire his civilian guns at the target just once?