EVE General Discussion

Let me guess, you're going to turn this into some ludicrous publicity stunt and make a video about it, stating this is why you should be voted in?

Go try and be relevant somewhere else...


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Pretty much this. Greed is a powerful ally and also the downfall of many.

... I'm on the same side of an issue as Xenuria?

You'll live life better when you care less about sides.

It certainly seems that way. I haven't always agreed with him but I cannot argue with his sense of duty.

the whisperers in CFC comms are usually from FCON too

OK. now I get how this is different from being a direct reseller of GTC. sorry, it took me a while.

the act is a cold, hard fact: ISK was exchanged as an incentive for spending real money.

but I'm not convinced there was malice. (the intention). personally, to be convinced of that I would need to see a record of gloating, somewhere / to someone.

people are accusing SOMER of purposefully converting ISK into real money, but I think that's a little extreme, and I believe him. he's consistent, and this program was a repeated attempt, yes, but the pattern (and the explanation for closing: hostile environment and CCP reneging) also suggests SOMER just simply doesn't understand how or why the ISK incentive is a violation (compared to being a direct GTC reseller).

I think he was simply doing what he knows--he developed a catchy way to generate a ton of ISK, and he used it as a tool to make his site popular. and it was self-sustaining. if other entities can think of "better" ways to convert ISK to real money, it's probably because RMT wasn't an explicit goal of SOMER's.

he also wasn't pushy in his email exchange, between the 8th and 13th of April (a Tues - Sun, which strikes me as casual compared to M-F).

his advice over the sale of the Scorpions Ishukone Watch strikes me as basic market smarts, and not necessarily devious. (their slot layout is kind of odd, anyway. -1L +1H compared to a regular Scorpion, making it even more awkward for armor tanking to free up mids).

as for awarding them to SOMER at all, it doesn't make complete sense, except that it's a rare item (what else would they give SOMER to show appreciation--ISK?)

I'm still not sure I understand the math of his proposal (even now), and I'm confident it would have been approved if it was up to me at the time. in this very thread I made sarcastic comments, proving that I really didn't get it. I would rather avoid that, just for the sake of my reputation as a spergy multiboxer--I would certainly try to be thorough if my job depended on it.

but I don't feel bad, because it's a given that I will be wrong about things, and in this case I think it would take a very wily and suspicious mind to catch it, that even among EVE players would be considered exceptional. ...how many players participated in this program before it was noticed...

rather than see SOMER shut down, for what it's worth I would prefer a mea culpa for the right reason. I think he still needs it explained slowly. I'm also curious why he wouldn't become a reseller himself (can someone fill me in). if MD makes enough to share a fee for referrals, why not sell GTCs directly without involving ISK incentives? (if he gets all of the GTC sale profit, wouldn't that be better than a referral fee).

a lot of people enjoy the thrill of trying to win shiny new ships. I know I've won a couple (a few?) dreads on SOMER. I'd prefer that didn't disappear. there's also something special about the presentation and feel of the site that I haven't seen elsewhere.

I'm not sure where players will get their raffle fix.

it's a Tuesday night, with 3/5 of the weekdays left before AT XII day 3.. and I already feel like too much EVE has been packed into one week. next week is Hyperion. I'm not sure how we're going to keep this up.

the talk about the proposed plan has been too hard and fast for me... will someone break it down nice and slow, Barney style please. I want to understand it the way other people seem to, but I still don't see it. (help plz)

Maybe so tbh I've not even bothered my head about it, all I know (in full transparency) is that I've walked away up more than 20bn and somewhat disgusted that the toxicity (which is far more low and disgusting than anything somer may or may no have done) behind some of the more vocal efforts to bring somer down appears to be legitimised by all this even if somer is guilty and even if some of the concerns voiced about somer were purely altruistic.

Last post before bed: we went through this a year ago. Word for word. They knew or should have known full well who and what they were dealing with. This is EVE for God's sake. The scam should always be foremost in your mind.

this +1

@somer: Can I have your stuffz? U don't care about anyways.