EVE General Discussion

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I think it's natural that people want to find 1 definitive thing to blame a problem (or perceived) problem on. Human being don't like to 'not know' and feel much more comfortable if a situation is 'change this one thing and everything will be fine'. Problem is that nothing in life (not even sandbox video games) work like this.

I can't tell you why the Russians are bumrushing for SOV right now even though as a group they had successes under the current SOV system (and MASSIVE success before the current SOV system). I can't tell you what a system that works looks like.

What I do know is that history keeps repeating itself and changes aimed at making things better tend to make things worse (evidence: Dominion, which most people loved when it came out as it free'd them from the 'POS grind").

There is also another risk, I call it the "anything is better than this/how could this possobly get any worse" fallacy. People hate the current SOV system so much that "ANYTHING must be better right?". That's how bad game design happens, people hate something, they clamour for change and DEVs respond with well intended changes that backfire. I see it in many of the SOV ideas people think are fool proof.



I think the developers of EVE online may have painted themselves into a corner with null sec and the current overall design of EVE online. I'm not nostalgic usually, but the EVE I started playing had much less 'content'; no incursions, no wormholes, no faction warfare , no marauders to make high sec PVE super easy and null sec was a super irritating EHP Grind that makes today look like a cake walk. It had REAL Doomsdays and you didn't HAVE to have a non-null sec isk making alt (whether pve or trade) to stay afloat.

And yet many people from that era will tell you that EVE was more fun. I remember struggling to find a system where I could chain belts in Omist to get enough isk to buy ships to PVP against Red Alliance with, now I can warp to respawning forsaken hubs at will all night long. Sure, it puts more isk in my wallet but the struggles of the past were fun. maybe CCP has stuffed too much "content" into EVE and now people have so many more options than SOV null that SOV null is and will remain irrelevant.

Titans, rare and powerful.

Major alliances... maybe two, PERHAPS as many as three

Except ideas like that only add more stuff to do to the logistical team which are the few enabler in the first place. What if a money moon "spawn" on a tower used for JB network? Tear it down and reset the network on another moon. Then it happena gain 45 days later. How fun would it be to constantly having to reset all that stuff? People can find where the money moon are now and they don't constantly generate fight when we know they are a permanent cash cow. You think people will throw everything in fights for 90 days worth of material when they don't for materials until you lose the tower?

Why are some people getting angry at me??? I don't decide the standings or who to war with or any of that. I'm just a line member. Why the hate?

I just saw a NCdot super fleet jump 5 mids in less than 10 minutes to save a titan. I guess power projection is only broken when we do it?

I laughed and then I cried.

Grr Goons
Death2allsupers
EVE is dying
#rekt

I can tell you why: for the same reason that people "grr gons" to every single member of GSF.



I didn't say it would make sense.

I don't think anyone is saying it's okay. However, what I am getting from Jenn is that no matter what system is put in place, human nature will eventually drive us to coalesce into a couple of superpowers.

In all reality, he's probably right. However, I do not believe that this means that we should stop trying to find a better and more engaging system.

As I've said, right now, null is a LOT of work for a couple of people. Most of the rest just sit around waiting on fleets, or shooting at red crosses, which has precisely zero effect on maintaining sov, except for the increasingly rare occasions when you have to actively defend your planted flag.

I think you should lead by example. Use your CFC director spies in FC and TNT to reset the rest of that blob and awox everything that moves in fountain, while simultaneously getting N3 to declare whole sale war on PL.

It was just poking fun. Stop taking it so personally. I've invested enough time and effort into null to remark, but refrained from doing so in public out of respect for others. Time's up. If you can't handle being mocked, tough. There's a reason some of the ranting deserves to be ribbed. Short version: this is what happens when you winwinwin (then whinge). Nice sandcastle, lads, can I kick it? Hang on while I get my glasses to read your 9000 word dissertation over why you failed/won/are suffering from erectile dysfunction due to mechanics.

The 'failures' have been mocked for so long without a proper retort, it's become acceptable. I don't know whether this is middle-age creep, boredom, or just arrogance - but I would really like to see whether the big blue waffle can sustain itself on leaches and badposters, whilst they leak their competent PVPers from every offirice. Why shouldn't the rest of us popcorn while you nerdrage? If you are silly enough to sell your intime fun for SRP you deserve to be derided. We're not playing your game.

I'd rather pick the underdog in any fight, try and fail spectacularly (and enjoy it) than sit in an iwin blob. If you aren't enjoying winning, ehm... good.

I'm enjoying reading the lengthy iterations on 'War and Peace' or 'The Art of War' on every forum and blogsite available. These mechanics have been snowballing for half a decade. The winners mouthed their way out of them, and the losers were slammed for pointing out obvious gameplay flaws. Please take a moment to breathe before you start yabbering again. Regurgitating the problems - or even insightfully pointing out specific issues is just more noise.

Either write up a solution, support/critique those who do, or shut your trap.
ps. I''ll be back in null within a month, shitbird, but I won't be using an alt to dribble on the forums