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Community Concerns Regarding SOMERblink

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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#221 - 2014-08-19 12:29:20 UTC
Whatever comes of the investigation, I will be contented if there are no free ships involved in the outcome.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#222 - 2014-08-19 12:32:43 UTC
Ali Aras wrote:
CSM just had another meeting with CCP, including the VP of Sales. It's great that CCP has kept us so involved and are actively seeking the input of us and the community. Mad props to Leeloo and Falcon for their hard work.


VP of Sales, well well... Thick plottens...

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Chera Frane
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#223 - 2014-08-19 12:35:06 UTC
Kename Fin wrote:

The mob is restless.

I think that you are wrong in this. Most of the player base probably don't give a damn about what is going on with CCP and Somerblink.

I certainly was unaware of all these goings on and I am, at least, someone who frequents these forums from time to time. In my opinion most of the players will be more interested in surviving and making ISK honestly to be bothered by what is, apparently, going on here.

I seems to me that the only people really involved are CCP, the CSM, Somerblink and those unfortunate to have been bitten by this apparent scam.

"Trust no-one." is rightly the watchword of EVE so the question is; why have so many fallen for such a notorious swindle? If it seems to be too good to be true, then it almost certainly will be in EVE at least.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#224 - 2014-08-19 12:40:34 UTC
Chera Frane wrote:
I think that you are wrong in this. Most of the player base probably don't give a damn about what is going on with CCP and Somerblink.

It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#225 - 2014-08-19 12:42:14 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Chera Frane wrote:
I think that you are wrong in this. Most of the player base probably don't give a damn about what is going on with CCP and Somerblink.

It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths.

Brilliant post.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad
#226 - 2014-08-19 12:43:15 UTC
111010110 wrote:
EULA
Section "Your Account"
Subsection "A. Establishing a New Account"
Paragraph 4:

"Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities. Business entities and anyone who is acting for or on behalf of a business or for business purposes may not establish an Account, access the System or play EVE. Accessing the System or using the Game for commercial, business or income-seeking purposes is strictly prohibited."


I keep eating my popcorn and waiting for somer and his in IN GAME organization to fall under this. Let's not forget Someset mah is a player who runs a web site that pools a lot of isk. He has a business agreement with Markee Dragon not CCP. Somer set mah is sitting on a mountain of isk and wants to make some direct real life money off his in game charcter.

Just like a bot farmer collecting isk and selling it. Somerset mah is looking for a way to do this with CCP approval even if it is for a short period of time. The business responsibility CCP has is with Markee dragon not somer. Somerset is a player and should be viewed as one period not a third party business partner. If it can be proved he is getting paid by Markee dragon to use his isk in game as a mean of running a business and a form of RMTing then he is subjected to player type punishment.

The VP who treated Somer like a business failed. If you like to have some fun and since she is so open to players contacting her, don't shoot the monument in jita, instead shoot her a email. Fill up her inbox ask her you can give away isk and get a real life money kick back.

Well the issue here is a failure to use the community department and CSM once again. Hey let's stop being a development arm of CCP and focus on getting CCP to add you to the loop of "have to talk to before approving in game programs". Then after it hits your desk it can go to legal. Falcon Iam not sure they pay you enough.
Lord LazyGhost
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#227 - 2014-08-19 12:44:53 UTC
Ali Aras wrote:
CSM just had another meeting with CCP, including the VP of Sales. It's great that CCP has kept us so involved and are actively seeking the input of us and the community. Mad props to Leeloo and Falcon for their hard work.


thats like saying I know whats going on I got a Secret but i cant tell you :)
KaRa DaVuT
Resurrection Complex
RAZOR Alliance
#228 - 2014-08-19 12:45:18 UTC
Ali Aras wrote:
CSM just had another meeting with CCP, including the VP of Sales. It's great that CCP has kept us so involved and are actively seeking the input of us and the community. Mad props to Leeloo and Falcon for their hard work.


Falcon is a dedicated guy.

So when will the results declared to public?

Holiness is in right action and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. What God desires is in your heart and on your mind... And what you decide to do every day, makes you - not your race - a good man - or not.

Pitchfork Vendor
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#229 - 2014-08-19 12:45:28 UTC
111010110 wrote:
EULA
Section "Your Account"
Subsection "A. Establishing a New Account"
Paragraph 4:

"Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities. Business entities and anyone who is acting for or on behalf of a business or for business purposes may not establish an Account, access the System or play EVE. Accessing the System or using the Game for commercial, business or income-seeking purposes is strictly prohibited."

^ This.
If you need to send an email to the sales dept. to get approval for your schemes, your account is no longer non profit.

Pitchforks! Pitchforks! Get your pitchforks here!

Jori McKie
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#230 - 2014-08-19 12:46:34 UTC
Ali Aras wrote:
CSM just had another meeting with CCP, including the VP of Sales. It's great that CCP has kept us so involved and are actively seeking the input of us and the community. Mad props to Leeloo and Falcon for their hard work.


Very interesting, i just hope it doesn't end with input seeking from CCP. From your wording and tone some can assume CCP finally takes it serious and there will be consequences.

Anyway as i said in my opinion CCP has no other choice to shut SOMER down, making this scheme legitimate for everybody will kill EVE within a month because there is too much ISK floating around.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar

KaRa DaVuT
Resurrection Complex
RAZOR Alliance
#231 - 2014-08-19 12:48:28 UTC
111010110 wrote:
EULA
Section "Your Account"
Subsection "A. Establishing a New Account"
Paragraph 4:

"Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities. Business entities and anyone who is acting for or on behalf of a business or for business purposes may not establish an Account, access the System or play EVE. Accessing the System or using the Game for commercial, business or income-seeking purposes is strictly prohibited."



So TL;DR Somer and his co-operators have to be dealt with like all the other RMT'ers out there:

Permaban and taken out from all isk and assets.

There is no other option includes justice other than that.

Holiness is in right action and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. What God desires is in your heart and on your mind... And what you decide to do every day, makes you - not your race - a good man - or not.

Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#232 - 2014-08-19 12:48:57 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:
It's off-topic, but why wouldn't he pay them with isk? It's cheaper and has less legal ramifications for him: Essentially they are doing the work voluntarily (from a legal perspective). The instant he pays RL cash he becomes an employer.


Again, this is if TMC was pulling ludicrous ad revenue, which it's not. If it was, he'd easily be able to pay a full-time staff writer or two and deal with the legal requirements involved.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#233 - 2014-08-19 12:50:28 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Chera Frane wrote:
I think that you are wrong in this. Most of the player base probably don't give a damn about what is going on with CCP and Somerblink.

It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths.


just gonna drop that in my sig

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Jori McKie
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#234 - 2014-08-19 12:55:38 UTC
Andski wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
Chera Frane wrote:
I think that you are wrong in this. Most of the player base probably don't give a damn about what is going on with CCP and Somerblink.

It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths.


just gonna drop that in my sig


Yeah, same thought here .....

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar

KIllerJon
Wideassholecrew
#235 - 2014-08-19 12:55:51 UTC
Everyone wants a resolution ... Lots of people have ideas how it should be dealt with ... A player has made money through the player base using the structure of eve ... Ccp's Eula had an exploitable loophole ... Both should be addressed and rectified because it just shouldn't happen .... Personal opinion would be restrict markee+others to being purely ad based funding over time not per plex
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#236 - 2014-08-19 12:57:51 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths.


-slowclap-

This thread is done.
Wex Manchester
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#237 - 2014-08-19 13:08:52 UTC
Enough. Enough.

If RMT is an offense punishable by banning, and if this is RMT, then why is this still being discussed?

If it hasn't been done already, lock down the assets of the offenders, and get on with the bans.
Talvorian Dex
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#238 - 2014-08-19 13:13:02 UTC
KaRa DaVuT wrote:
Mike Azariah wrote:
Out of curiosity.



After all, as the queen once said . . . `Sentence first--verdict afterwards.'

I am not apologizing for CCP, just reminding some that this is not an instantaneous kind of thing. But some of you want to skip sentence, verdict, and leap straight to the execution(s) so anything I say to delay that must be stonewalling and sucking up to my masters.



I just want to hear from the real people, the people who involved that to explain what really happened. From The decision makers. Not from the people that just learned this 24 hour ago.

There are people out there really know whats happenning in CCP. I want them to go out public and explain to me that, why some pople are treated differently than the others in this game when it comes to EULA? As legally both me and somer are subcribers. So both are bound to the EULA rules.


Kara, the people who know all work for CCP, and no one at CCP is going to risk their jobs (as they would be doing by speaking out about internal CCP problems) to inform a player community about something. It's just not gonna happen. I certainly wouldn't.

Let's give CCP time to sort this out. I very much believe that this might be a case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing.

And, hey, if people still feel strongly, they could always stop Blinking. THat'd be a way to teach... oh, hey, promo blink!

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I bet a bunch of you just opened up Somer's site and checked, regardless of your indignation.

Writer of Target Caller, an Eve Online PvP blog, at http://targetcaller.blogspot.com

Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#239 - 2014-08-19 13:19:07 UTC
Talvorian Dex wrote:
I very much believe that this might be a case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing.
That usually means something's wrong with the head (the read-bearded fellow).

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Big Lynx
#240 - 2014-08-19 13:28:48 UTC
Somergate again. Somer did enough outside of the box for their own (rl) wallet, that system is based on (rl) capitalism. Their gambling system works like any other (rl) casino by exploiting poor gambling souls. Somer stepped out of the box cause he/they got greedy.

I am expecting a ban, because he is a player like all others who posted here and reading that thread without posting. Somer stumbled over his own greed. Now it's CCP's turn to act like they would with any other player doing RMT and Eve gets a better place (again).