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Community Concerns Regarding SOMERblink

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Marsha Mallow
#21 - 2014-08-19 00:07:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Marsha Mallow
Thanks for the update, and for taking this seriously. GJ to our unpaid CSM minions for their quick response, and for whatever time they gave up to deal with this.

Please clarify the affiliate system and the terms for EULA compliant RMT asap. So we can all do it \o/

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Major JSilva
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-08-19 00:07:29 UTC
TheMercenaryKing wrote:
I think CCP needs to be completely transparent with this investigation. The old ideology of Player-CCP only should be removed when involving RMT, Exploiting, Cheating, and severe cases of harassment.

Investigations in progress should never be transparent until they're finished and all the facts known. It can corrupt the information being looked at and affect its credibility.

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Cherry Yeyo
Doomheim
#23 - 2014-08-19 00:10:32 UTC
Major JSilva wrote:
TheMercenaryKing wrote:
I think CCP needs to be completely transparent with this investigation. The old ideology of Player-CCP only should be removed when involving RMT, Exploiting, Cheating, and severe cases of harassment.

Investigations in progress should never be transparent until they're finished and all the facts known. It can corrupt the information being looked at and affect its credibility.

Its just that the entire community is extremely tired of these same shenanigans from this one group over and over What?

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#24 - 2014-08-19 00:12:10 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#25 - 2014-08-19 00:17:55 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:
Great to see this thread at last!

+rep and awaiting more info when you can guys

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De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2014-08-19 00:25:47 UTC
I would just like to add my appreciation to the general tumult of the thread.

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North Eastern Swat
#27 - 2014-08-19 00:35:22 UTC
"Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities. Business entities and anyone who is acting for or on behalf of a business or for business purposes may not establish an Account, access the System or play EVE. Accessing the System or using the Game for commercial, business or income-seeking purposes is strictly prohibited."

had to lol at this
ProclarushTaonas
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2014-08-19 00:44:59 UTC
Oh, this should be fun.

"Somerset Mahm investigated for RMT. CCP gives them a few more shiny rattlesnakes just to appease the crowds" Roll
Rennseslear X
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#29 - 2014-08-19 00:56:33 UTC
SOMERBlink...pillar of the community.
What a load of horsesh!t.
nice job stopping this from ever happening again CCP.
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saw this coming the last time they thumbed their noses at you, and you rewarded them with free rare ships.
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Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#30 - 2014-08-19 00:59:04 UTC
Is there a reason you have not asked Somerblink to stop offering their bonus while this is being looked into? Or have you asked them and they have declined?

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Rattman
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#31 - 2014-08-19 00:59:54 UTC
So much sucking up in one thread.
Harrigan VonStudly
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#32 - 2014-08-19 00:59:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Harrigan VonStudly
First off. Thank you to the CSM and CCP for a quick response to this.

I think the quote below needs to be clarified by CCP.

"Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities. Business entities and anyone who is acting for or on behalf of a business or for business purposes may not establish an Account, access the System or play EVE. Accessing the System or using the Game for commercial, business or income-seeking purposes is strictly prohibited."


And if it means some long standing and/or popular institutions go away then so be it. Specifically "and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities." Define income. In game? OUt of game real life?

IMO this is where things start to get murky. A Photoshop wizard creating a piece of art in exchange for isk for someone to use on their blog header, killboard, or other site intended to display information about Eve isn't a problem. When people expressly create a website to purposely make real life money and circle jerk it in a roundabout way involving in game currency and/or assets it's stepping over the line. To be endorsed by CCP is ridiculous.

It's been 10 yrs plus. Do you not know your player base yet, CCP? It's time to define this kind of crap. If certain sites disappear, then so be it. This kind of crap always surfaces when null suck takes a dive and there's no new player acquiring battles, etc... happening to attract newbies. This stuff makes headlines and headlines draw people to Eve. But this kind of nonsense is beneath what I would consider CCP to be, which is a professional game creating company. Sew up these stinking loopholes so scum bags stop ripping people off in game with what is classified a real life addiction, gambling, only to make real life income for their own lazy asses. There is nothing legitimate here. If Somer wants to sell Plex then let them become an authorized Plex seller like Eve Radio, Eve Game TIme Codes, etc... Otherwise, this smells like a modern day T20 scandal all over again.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#33 - 2014-08-19 01:02:50 UTC
Except for Chribba's brief remarks, I see that most web hosts are strangely quiet on this. And for good reason.

If the more mouth frothing anger management deficient among you get your way and CCP decides you are right that any income is RMT, say goodbye to your kill boards, news sites, blogs, market sites and character sheets. Anything that relies on click-throughs and affiliates to cover hosting costs. Be careful what you wish for, people. You might just get it.

Mr Epeen Cool
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#34 - 2014-08-19 01:08:22 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Except for Chribba's brief remarks, I see that most web hosts are strangely quiet on this. And for good reason.

If the more mouth frothing anger management deficient among you get your way and CCP decides you are right that any income is RMT, say goodbye to your kill boards, news sites, blogs, market sites and character sheets. Anything that relies on click-throughs and affiliates to cover hosting costs. Be careful what you wish for, people. You might just get it.

Mr Epeen Cool



Read up more on Somer's setup.

There's no question that this is RMT ISK selling in disguise.

Which is very different to the (officially tolerated) RMT ISK buying in disguise cycle seen in killboard hostings of "I create EVE-based RL services, possibly costing RL money and trade them to you for in-game ISK".

CCP's stated policies are very different toward RMT sellers and RMT buyers.

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#35 - 2014-08-19 01:12:00 UTC
do your part and shoot the jita monument. chainkilling Incursion MOMs is reserved.

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DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad
#36 - 2014-08-19 01:19:10 UTC
Two step wrote:
Is there a reason you have not asked Somerblink to stop offering their bonus while this is being looked into? Or have you asked them and they have declined?


I hate to do this cause I still owe him a beer and he hates me Sad. But this is something that has to happen. That will make this delay on a answer, put an end to the trolling.
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#37 - 2014-08-19 01:25:10 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Hey guys,

Apologies for the delay in putting out a notification, I’ve just arrived home from the office after a bit of a busy day talking to various departments to get a handle on how and what’s been going on with this situation.

This issue was first brought to the attention of the Community Team by the CSM around 24 hours ago after concern was raised by members of the community regarding the promotion that’s currently going on over at SOMERblink.

Myself and CCP Leeloo has been sat with various groups within CCP today and have been in constant contact with the CSM throughout the day to discuss the concerns of the community and make sure that some form of resolution is reached. They’ve been very clear, direct and unified with their opinion on the situation, and this is a sentiment that I share with them.

This thread will serve as a place where we’ll be updating you guys on what’s going on with this to make sure that there’s a central place for information, because it’s quite clear that this is an issue that the community is taking seriously. It’s also something I feel incredibly strongly about.

At this point in time, we’re investigating exactly what’s going on with the whole situation, and I’ve been in contact with our Legal department, Sales and our Information Security team with a view to having this looked into and resolved.

Given the sheer size of the investigation that we’ll be undertaking, this is going to take some time, as a lot of ISK and assets have changed hands. While some temporary action has been taken in order to keep a handle on the situation, any outcome of an investigation is still to be determined, and I can’t give any further information regarding the process while it’s ongoing.

There’s not a great deal more that I’ll be able to give you guys tonight, but please be aware, and rest assured, that you will not be stonewalled over this, and within reason the Community Team will be letting you guys know exactly what’s going on as and when we can release more information.

I’m hoping to have more on this for you guys tomorrow as we look into this further, but for now, this is just to let you all know that your voices have been heard, we’re actively looking at the situation, and will feed back as soon as we have more information that we can share.

We'll be locking all the other threads that are discussing this, and diverting them here to keep feedback concise and centralized in one place, so please feel free to use this thread to talk about the issue openly.

Just remember to keep it civil and within the forum rules, which also means no discussion of warnings and bans.

Thanks for your patience,

- F


Holy crap, I don't think I've ever seen you make a post this vague. Investigation, right, okay. But there's one simple question I think everyone here would like to have an answer on which you should (??) have ready since it's a simple shout around the office me thinks.

Did CCP or did CCP not give SOMER permission to start this incentive bullshit up again? Just a yes or no answer to that question would please (or not Pirate ) a great deal of people. What happens with an investigation is fun reading material for a later date. Though if you guys are really going to dig into this, I have a perfectly good idea where you'll eventually trace all the money to *coughmarkeedragoncough!*

And I'm sure you guys realize this, but coming out and saying 'we are re-allowing this now' officially is going to cause a shitstorm the size of which you have not seen... in the past week. Better reinforce that Jita monument if that's the case. But I trust you to make the right decision.

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Tam Arai
Mi Pen Rai
#38 - 2014-08-19 01:34:10 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Except for Chribba's brief remarks, I see that most web hosts are strangely quiet on this. And for good reason.

If the more mouth frothing anger management deficient among you get your way and CCP decides you are right that any income is RMT, say goodbye to your kill boards, news sites, blogs, market sites and character sheets. Anything that relies on click-throughs and affiliates to cover hosting costs. Be careful what you wish for, people. You might just get it.

Mr Epeen Cool


which kill boards, news sites, blogs, market sites and character sheets will give me isk in game in exchange for buying a plex through them?
Xander Phoena
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2014-08-19 01:37:09 UTC
Major JSilva wrote:
TheMercenaryKing wrote:
I think CCP needs to be completely transparent with this investigation. The old ideology of Player-CCP only should be removed when involving RMT, Exploiting, Cheating, and severe cases of harassment.

Investigations in progress should never be transparent until they're finished and all the facts known. It can corrupt the information being looked at and affect its credibility.


I just want to back Silva up here. I am very angry that this situation has arisen but until we know all the facts it is imperative that calm is maintained. Lashing out at the wrong person will only make this ten times worse so let's give CCP some time to figure it out. I can confirm though that they couldn't have been more up-front and open with CSM9 about it so far.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2014-08-19 01:46:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Xander Phoena wrote:
Major JSilva wrote:
TheMercenaryKing wrote:
I think CCP needs to be completely transparent with this investigation. The old ideology of Player-CCP only should be removed when involving RMT, Exploiting, Cheating, and severe cases of harassment.

Investigations in progress should never be transparent until they're finished and all the facts known. It can corrupt the information being looked at and affect its credibility.


I just want to back Silva up here. I am very angry that this situation has arisen but until we know all the facts it is imperative that calm is maintained. Lashing out at the wrong person will only make this ten times worse so let's give CCP some time to figure it out. I can confirm though that they couldn't have been more up-front and open with CSM9 about it so far.


This. I don't care one way or the other about Somer Blink, and if they are found to be in breach of the EULA on something, anything, be it RMT or otherwise, then I stand firmly behind the appropriate measures of dealing with that breach. What I am not behind is a verdict without a 'trial'. People jumping on the "Grr Somer" bandwagon are not helping the process. Because if they are not found to be in breach of the EULA then the "Grr Somer" crowd, already emotionally invested in seeing Somer taken down, regardless of whether or not they've done anything wrong, are going to be disappointed.

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