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Low Sec FW Meetings

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DJ FunkyBacon
Rabid Ninja Space Monkey Inc.
Monkeys with Guns.
#1 - 2014-08-17 04:55:00 UTC
Hey guys,

I find that I'm pretty accessible to the guys in Gal Mil, as often when I'm on or playing, it's pretty easy for folks to pop into whatever TS channel I'm in, or talk to me about stuff during slow times in fleets. I'm feeling like I don't get to spend much time talking with people in the other 3 militias. I hung out with some Amarr dudes a couple months ago, it was great, and I'd like to do that more often.

The summer summit coming up in a few weeks, there will be some discussions about lowsec. I know what's important to me, but I was also elected by you guys, and I'm by no means omnipotent with regards to every issue we face. I'd like to sit down, have a talk with the militias as a whole, and firm up on our priorities.

This can be done in a couple of ways: 1: I can see about getting in touch with each militia, and visit with you guys separately on your own TS/Mumble servers. 2: We can organize a sort of LS/FW Town hall and have people from all 4 militias pop on at once and have a pow wow.

How would you guys rather do this?

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#2 - 2014-08-17 06:05:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
I'll probably get piled on by the RPers for saying so, but there's really 5 legitimate groups in FW zones.

Neutral pirates/pvpers have a lot of interest in what happens in FW too. We bring a lot of good fights to the systems at different times and it may be fair to conclude that many of us (well, many of the few who voted in the CSM elections) had you high on our balliot because of our lowsec interest.

So I hope it's ok for us to throw in ideas and issues too. We aren't just a huge pain in the backside to the militias. Sometimes we also have good ideas and suggestions.
DJ FunkyBacon
Rabid Ninja Space Monkey Inc.
Monkeys with Guns.
#3 - 2014-08-17 12:32:59 UTC
You guys are definitely part of the equation Scipio, and that means part of the discussion. Whichever way we go, I'll make sure that neutral parties are in.

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Moglarr
Operation Meatshield
#4 - 2014-08-17 14:54:29 UTC
If it is about plex and FW mechanics, I don't see how the input of neutrals would impact the conversation very much. I do think that the more people involved in the discussion, the better but I wouldn't want to see any conversation get distracted by people who may not understand or care about core FW mechanics.

That being said, I think the first option would be best. A town hall is good in theory, but I think it would be too easy for a big discussion to get derailed or topics to be forgotten about if debates break out. I'd also be worried about people not being able to make it. Where as smaller more personal meetings could let people easily discuss topics that concern them without any cheers or jeers. It could help you too because you could see what concerns are common across the militias.
DJ FunkyBacon
Rabid Ninja Space Monkey Inc.
Monkeys with Guns.
#5 - 2014-08-17 14:57:06 UTC
Well, I think this will be about more than just plex mechanics, and in that sense, having smaller more personalized meetings might make sense.

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Nameira Vanis-Tor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2014-08-17 16:12:41 UTC
You could also create an online survey and ask the militia leaders to advertise it to their members? There are a few sites out there that are free to use although I'm not sure if I'm allowed to 'advertise' them here.

You could ask for respondents ideas and such like for improving the low-sec experience. It would be interesting to try and define who the low sec pilots you want to represent are?

You have pirates and neutrals - anyone from the new player friendly guys in The Scope to the 'Hey look someone's flying a Stabber lets hot drop it with carriers' Shadow Cartel, PL etc.

You have each of the 4 militias each of which have their own concerns based on how the meta of the game effects the culture of their militia and warzone. (E.g it is not uncommon to hear Amarr Militia complain about not bring able to run their missions in Stealth Bombers etc)

Do you also count the armada of alt characters whose interest is in farming the war zones as your constituents? Because they are guaranteed to have a different agenda than your average RP militia pilot and may well outnumber any other faction!
Samwise Everquest
Plus 10 NV
#7 - 2014-08-18 04:11:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Samwise Everquest
Make FW more about FACTION warfare and not just a mutual wardec.

Just on the top of my head:

1. You cannot dock in stations belonging to the opposing faction (including HighSec.) It makes no sense for an opposing faction to allow you to dock in their stations. I mean you are only at war and contesting their space. I am not just talking about from a roleplaying standpoint but also it's just not something you see in other faction based pvp mmos. I'd list some examples but it would probably just cause flames :)

2. The current system "buffs" for controlling and upgrading the system are lame and seem out of place. Other than working towards the next tier, in my opinion, there is no reason to upgrade a system. I'd like to see some real bonuses that influence PvP. Whether that be slight boosts, stronger NPCs in your plexes, or even something like being able to add Sentry Guns to stations or gates that would help defend against opposing factions would be really cool. It would definitely make FW more immersive and dynamic which it lacks.

3. I don't have a good solution to this problem but the plex farmers and flip floppers keep FW from being a truely competitve and somewhat fair environment. Yes there will always be a winning team but there is little to no incentive to joining the losing side. Again I don't have a good solution but maybe putting some kind of cap on enlistment would work. For example when one side has been Tier 4+ for a long time and outnumbers the competition then enlistment would cease or slow down somehow. I know that sounds terrible and limits the sandbox but I do not see any other way. Although FW is nowhere near as bad as NullSec, I don't think it would take much for that to change where we would have one giant cluster of Plexers at max tier and only a few knuckleheads trying to contest.

4. Faction ranks should have some kind of impact. Something to the affect of ranks impacting fleets. Like a separate booster system. For example having a General (forget the high ranking names) in your fleet will provide you with more LP payout or just flat out combat bonuses.

5. Defensive Plexing LP payout should be a set amount based on the size of site. Whether you are T1 or T4, the LP payout should be the same. No bonuses should be applied as there is minimal risk. Most def plexing is done by warp stabbed alts or afkers in a ship with no mods. The reward is greater than the risk so you have people cashing in. The only LP bonuses should be applied to is offensive plexing which presents Risk and active piloting.

6. Lastly, for FW to truely have an impact on New Edan, the entire map needs to be changed. Each faction should be on its own highsec island. Meaning each faction should be separated by LowSec. Faction Warfare Lowsec to be exact. These systems would be the ones always contested as each faction would be trying to gain ground on each other. Perhaps allowing Amarr/Caldari space and Gallente/Minmatar space have one or two HighSec trading routes between each other. Honestly I think this would make EvE in general much more interesting because it would make the other trade hubs on par with Jita as most carebears wouldn't risk their cargo going through LowSec. I know this wont happen but hey, I can dream can't I.


o/ too tired to make sense

Pras Phil.

TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#8 - 2014-08-18 08:12:48 UTC
I am important and have a stake in all of this, and have solutions for broken things.

Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:

You have pirates and neutrals - anyone from the new player friendly guys in The Scope to the 'Hey look someone's flying a Stabber lets hot drop it with carriers' Shadow Cartel


stop making stuff up
DJ FunkyBacon
Rabid Ninja Space Monkey Inc.
Monkeys with Guns.
#9 - 2014-08-18 15:28:47 UTC
Ok, so after some thought and feedback, here's what I've come up with.

I'll be on vacation the week before the CSM Summit, and should have plenty of time to set things up. I'm thinking of 2 town hall type sessions, one during EU prime, and another one later on for people in North America. If there is a serious demand for it, I would consider running a 3rd session for those in the AU TZ, I'm just not interested if it's gonna be one dude that shows up, he's welcome to Eve mail me instead.

Anyone with a vested interest in lowsec is welcome. Topics will be restricted to lowsec/FW concerns as well as parts of Eve that bleed into our space. For example, nullsec sov is not really our concern, while nullsec power projection is.

The meetings will be held on a TBD TS server. I will attempt to get some air time on Eve Radio, but if that falls through, we'll broadcast over twitch. I'm tentatively looking at Tuesday the 9th of September 18:00 GMT for the EU session, and Midnight GMT for the North American session. (this is subject to change obviously based on feedback)

Thoughts?

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Master Sergeant MacRobert
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#10 - 2014-08-18 16:03:07 UTC
DJ FunkyBacon wrote:
Ok, so after some thought and feedback, here's what I've come up with.

I'll be on vacation the week before the CSM Summit, and should have plenty of time to set things up. I'm thinking of 2 town hall type sessions, one during EU prime, and another one later on for people in North America. If there is a serious demand for it, I would consider running a 3rd session for those in the AU TZ, I'm just not interested if it's gonna be one dude that shows up, he's welcome to Eve mail me instead.

Anyone with a vested interest in lowsec is welcome. Topics will be restricted to lowsec/FW concerns as well as parts of Eve that bleed into our space. For example, nullsec sov is not really our concern, while nullsec power projection is.

The meetings will be held on a TBD TS server. I will attempt to get some air time on Eve Radio, but if that falls through, we'll broadcast over twitch. I'm tentatively looking at Tuesday the 9th of September 18:00 GMT for the EU session, and Midnight GMT for the North American session. (this is subject to change obviously based on feedback)

Thoughts?


So much to type and so little time.

I will aim to send you a mail at some point.

One question for now:

Do you think that one session for each TZ is sufficient, or would it be suitable to have an initial session on ideas and a reflective 2nd session for each TZ?

RL time constraints what they are I anticipate I will not be able to attend but I will aim to join if can. I certainly hope a member of the 24th Foreign Legion does get to attend.


BTW: Thanks for offering up your time etc..

"Remedy this situation or you shall live out the rest of your life in a pain amplifier"

DJ FunkyBacon
Rabid Ninja Space Monkey Inc.
Monkeys with Guns.
#11 - 2014-08-18 16:20:18 UTC
If it ends up being overwhelming I may extend to an additional session if needed to cover what needs covered, yes.

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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#12 - 2014-08-18 16:36:06 UTC
acceptable. do you like to receive big spergy mails as well?
DJ FunkyBacon
Rabid Ninja Space Monkey Inc.
Monkeys with Guns.
#13 - 2014-08-18 16:46:49 UTC
TrouserDeagle wrote:
acceptable. do you like to receive big spergy mails as well?

As long as it's gormet quality sperg, then yes.

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Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#14 - 2014-08-18 21:26:37 UTC
Perhaps some talking points for this meeting? Otherwise it might end up being a grabtastic piece of amphibian-shite.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#15 - 2014-08-18 22:06:13 UTC
Thank you for reaching out to the players!

I don't mean to be a naysayer but I really can't stand the "town hall meetings." I think they are a complete waste.

I much prefer to give and hear feedback in a forum thread where ideas can be explored a bit more in depth. I think a series of threads that you would follow/contribute to, where people could talk about issues would be much more informative. Not only that but it resolves the scheduling issues.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Baron' Soontir Fel
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-08-18 22:28:28 UTC
Instead of town hall type meetings, how about you try to gather everybody in this channel to come up with the different topics you'd like to talk about.

IE - FW updates/upgrades/missions/plexes, Power projection, POSes, etc.

We have a lively discussion here, you gather what information you like and then present it during a TS meeting. So you'll have all the questions and answers thought out beforehand and then you'll just tell us what you like/ don't like/ what you think will be too much work/ to little work... etc. Then we could have a smaller open ended questions, but not a giant clusterfuck that I think one major town hall would be.

Does that make sense?
Aves Enderas
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-08-18 22:31:09 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Thank you for reaching out to the players!

I don't mean to be a naysayer but I really can't stand the "town hall meetings." I think they are a complete waste.

I much prefer to give and hear feedback in a forum thread where ideas can be explored a bit more in depth. I think a series of threads that you would follow/contribute to, where people could talk about issues would be much more informative. Not only that but it resolves the scheduling issues.


+1
DJ FunkyBacon
Rabid Ninja Space Monkey Inc.
Monkeys with Guns.
#18 - 2014-08-18 23:41:35 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Thank you for reaching out to the players!

I don't mean to be a naysayer but I really can't stand the "town hall meetings." I think they are a complete waste.

I much prefer to give and hear feedback in a forum thread where ideas can be explored a bit more in depth. I think a series of threads that you would follow/contribute to, where people could talk about issues would be much more informative. Not only that but it resolves the scheduling issues.


You're more than welcome to post anything that concerns you about lowsec here as well if this is your preference. I'm certainly reading this thread. I know that for some people, they prefer to talk things out, and I can certainly say and hear a lot more words in an hour than can be typed and read. If you don't like the "town hall" format, that doesn't mean you don't get a say if you don't show up.

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Tweek Etimua
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-08-19 00:58:24 UTC
DJ FunkyBacon wrote:
Hey guys,

I find that I'm pretty accessible to the guys in Gal Mil, as often when I'm on or playing, it's pretty easy for folks to pop into whatever TS channel I'm in, or talk to me about stuff during slow times in fleets. I'm feeling like I don't get to spend much time talking with people in the other 3 militias. I hung out with some Amarr dudes a couple months ago, it was great, and I'd like to do that more often.

The summer summit coming up in a few weeks, there will be some discussions about lowsec. I know what's important to me, but I was also elected by you guys, and I'm by no means omnipotent with regards to every issue we face. I'd like to sit down, have a talk with the militias as a whole, and firm up on our priorities.

This can be done in a couple of ways: 1: I can see about getting in touch with each militia, and visit with you guys separately on your own TS/Mumble servers. 2: We can organize a sort of LS/FW Town hall and have people from all 4 militias pop on at once and have a pow wow.

How would you guys rather do this?

I've never been to an eve townhall. My first concern is maintaning order. That's only cause I dont know any thing about it. So option 2 is possibly possible.

As far as option 1 there are a few solo pilots in FW, just forming corps (like my own) and a few other types that get covered up by the bigger groups.

What would help me is know what your current proposals are for faction warfare. Currently as a player trying to start a corp on the Gallente side, Faction warfare just is slow
Phox Jorkarzul
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
#20 - 2014-08-19 02:35:00 UTC

Let me know when this is happening Bacon, cause i have some issues that need to be addressed.

1) Mission need to be reworked.\

2) Corps and alliances need a way to make ISK bottom to top

3) FW ranks and system Ranks need to have meaningful boost.

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