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Suggestion: Reboot Eve Online

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SyntheticSins
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-08-18 12:46:28 UTC
Probably going to get trolled for this, but something I think would seriously benefit CCP and the game as a whole. So far after the recent few years of patching, we're now in a state of Ishtar/Crow Eve online. Dust 514 was destined to fail, and Project Legion, while will have higher success than Dust 514, I doubt will still stand up on its own merits next to triple A FPS shooters like battlefield, COD, and even other free to play's like Planetside.

Eve as a 'Space Simulation', I mean, particularly, as a game, is actually horrible. The UI is extremely unintuitive, you often spend hours upon hours of traveling space. The thing that really bonds Eve to players is conflict, diplomacy, and especially to me, the mix of nationalities really shines, as other games have to segregate Euro/US servers due to bandwith constraints, Eve chooses to bring all the nationalities together which is great.

But eve, perhaps just for me, is wearing itself out. The economy has more than doubled the prices since I started playing. i bought my first hurricane for 15mil, the current state of nullsec, as alot of people will agree, is pretty bland. Power blocks are in place, no rogue free alliance can make any headway into space. I was talking with a couple of RL friends that have also lost interest, if servers restarted tomorrow, everyone had zero exp, we would all be happy.

And in truth, doing so would help CCP to eliminate some of the problems that currently plague the game, such as removal of OGbooster, (yes, I know I abuse it too, but it is overpowered.) If CCP rebuilt the game engine, stuck the camera closer to ships, it would add a better immersion feel. And perhaps with an engine reboot they could add some dynamic effects like parts blowing off ships, or really overhaul the POS and PI interfaces.

Besides, as a 12 year old game, it is astonishing to see it having grown so much, hell, most games do not last this long at all. But I believe if CCP started focusing its resources on a state of the art reboot, instead of making another fail FPS, they could benefit greatly from it. :|
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#2 - 2014-08-18 12:51:09 UTC
I suggest you don your flame suit posthaste, sir. Make sure you get the one with the rolled tungsten assplate.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-08-18 12:52:03 UTC
SyntheticSins wrote:
Probably going to get trolled for this, but something I think would seriously benefit CCP and the game as a whole. So far after the recent few years of patching, we're now in a state of Ishtar/Crow Eve online. Dust 514 was destined to fail, and Project Legion, while will have higher success than Dust 514, I doubt will still stand up on its own merits next to triple A FPS shooters like battlefield, COD, and even other free to play's like Planetside.

Eve as a 'Space Simulation', I mean, particularly, as a game, is actually horrible. The UI is extremely unintuitive, you often spend hours upon hours of traveling space. The thing that really bonds Eve to players is conflict, diplomacy, and especially to me, the mix of nationalities really shines, as other games have to segregate Euro/US servers due to bandwith constraints, Eve chooses to bring all the nationalities together which is great.

But eve, perhaps just for me, is wearing itself out. The economy has more than doubled the prices since I started playing. i bought my first hurricane for 15mil, the current state of nullsec, as alot of people will agree, is pretty bland. Power blocks are in place, no rogue free alliance can make any headway into space. I was talking with a couple of RL friends that have also lost interest, if servers restarted tomorrow, everyone had zero exp, we would all be happy.

And in truth, doing so would help CCP to eliminate some of the problems that currently plague the game, such as removal of OGbooster, (yes, I know I abuse it too, but it is overpowered.) If CCP rebuilt the game engine, stuck the camera closer to ships, it would add a better immersion feel. And perhaps with an engine reboot they could add some dynamic effects like parts blowing off ships, or really overhaul the POS and PI interfaces.

Besides, as a 12 year old game, it is astonishing to see it having grown so much, hell, most games do not last this long at all. But I believe if CCP started focusing its resources on a state of the art reboot, instead of making another fail FPS, they could benefit greatly from it. :|



Eve would DISAPEAR instantly if they did that.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#4 - 2014-08-18 13:17:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Fer'isam K'ahn
There is so much wrong with the OP observation and cocnlusion committing multiple logical fallacies it is not worth addressing.

Yet...

Kagura Nikon wrote:
Eve would DISAPEAR instantly if they did that.

... this is not true.

In fact nothing much would change. Players organized before will have the same advantages once the server goes online again. Nothing fundamentally will change and many, as I, would not leave Eve. It would just be a new challenge and objective to deal with. Sure people would lose stuff, sure, some will leave, some will hate and rage, some won't, some will deal with it and adjust.
Nobody can predict what would happen.

In my opinion it would not matter a bit, I played HC games all my life, I am used to losing all in a heartbeat and starting over. It would not keep me from playing Eve, either way.

But in regards to the OP, a reboot would fix nothing which is suggested (supposed to by OP). So I would not support it for that reason.

If you talk about a fresh start, just because of a fresh start, sure, why not - we had worse ideas here.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2014-08-18 13:25:04 UTC
SyntheticSins wrote:
Probably going to get trolled for this


Aint no "probably" about it son Lol
Velicitia
XS Tech
#6 - 2014-08-18 14:40:06 UTC
problem with a fresh start (amongst other things) is that you would immediately nuke the following:

1. Market
2. PLEX
3. Gameplay (it'd be noobships online for several days, and "frigates online" for weeks, if not months -- who cares if you can fly it, when there aren't any owned BPOs yet - so nothing's on the market ... or if there are, the BPO is godawful and it costs you 250m for a Domi ... oh, and you can't sell a PLEX for more than 100m).

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#7 - 2014-08-18 15:21:25 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
problem with a fresh start (amongst other things) is that you would immediately nuke the following:

1. Market
2. PLEX
3. Gameplay (it'd be noobships online for several days, and "frigates online" for weeks, if not months -- who cares if you can fly it, when there aren't any owned BPOs yet - so nothing's on the market ... or if there are, the BPO is godawful and it costs you 250m for a Domi ... oh, and you can't sell a PLEX for more than 100m).

Everything will be relative, everything will stabilize, one day at a time. Plex will still be worth a Plex, might just be traded for a few weeks, and what are a few weeks in Eve Roll

"Frigates online" for a short time ? Again, where is the problem, Code is "destgroyer online", some WH will be frig only, SB, Cov Ops, the new Cov Ops etc. etc. so we already got it.

Not advocating it, just saying - not gonna be as horrendous as you'd like to paint it.
CPuiu
EVE University
Ivy League
#8 - 2014-08-18 15:22:25 UTC
not a good idea. rebooting everything will mean loosing the work the players did for years. from the market to the skills. a total reboot will only lead to the downfall of the game because of the negative feedback and most likely sabotage from angry players.

destroying the most advanced fictional market on the internet is the worst idea ever.
SyntheticSins
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2014-08-18 15:26:41 UTC
CPuiu wrote:
not a good idea. rebooting everything will mean loosing the work the players did for years. from the market to the skills. a total reboot will only lead to the downfall of the game because of the negative feedback and most likely sabotage from angry players.

destroying the most advanced fictional market on the internet is the worst idea ever.


Perhaps that's the idea. I have billions worth of assets and couldn't care if I lost them right now.
CPuiu
EVE University
Ivy League
#10 - 2014-08-18 15:29:33 UTC
SyntheticSins wrote:
CPuiu wrote:
not a good idea. rebooting everything will mean loosing the work the players did for years. from the market to the skills. a total reboot will only lead to the downfall of the game because of the negative feedback and most likely sabotage from angry players.

destroying the most advanced fictional market on the internet is the worst idea ever.


Perhaps that's the idea. I have billions worth of assets and couldn't care if I lost them right now.

i wouldn't mind holding them for you :D
Innar Mishi
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2014-08-18 16:09:33 UTC
This is a terrible idea, people play eve because of what they have created already and what they are a part of. Getting rid of all of that would cause most people to un-sub straight away.
I would be interested to see a new blank server and how that evolved (as I missed out on seeing the beginnings of tranquility). I doubt that this will ever happen though.
SyntheticSins
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2014-08-18 16:24:04 UTC
Innar Mishi wrote:
This is a terrible idea, people play eve because of what they have created already and what they are a part of. Getting rid of all of that would cause most people to un-sub straight away.
I would be interested to see a new blank server and how that evolved (as I missed out on seeing the beginnings of tranquility). I doubt that this will ever happen though.


Well, that's why I would like to see a reboot, another new beginning, or perhaps new area's, a wormhole into a different area that has all new systems and stars, economies couldn't mix, something.
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2014-08-18 17:16:09 UTC
SyntheticSins wrote:
CPuiu wrote:
not a good idea. rebooting everything will mean loosing the work the players did for years. from the market to the skills. a total reboot will only lead to the downfall of the game because of the negative feedback and most likely sabotage from angry players.

destroying the most advanced fictional market on the internet is the worst idea ever.


Perhaps that's the idea. I have billions worth of assets and couldn't care if I lost them right now.

Send me a bil of them and you will have my vote for yes on this
Send an extra bil for each alt of mine you would like to have say yes as well


I mean the idea isnt bad if done as a reasonable affair.
I mean like you cant really get to nullsec for ore due to the BS rats that will pop your ventures.
You also likely wont be able to get to cloud ring for mining barge bpos for a while, much less afford them
But ventures mine well enough for hi and low so the megacyte might be providable by some small metas

Ok so i refined my mission loot and built a cruiser (stratios) and found it took me about 4 times the listed value of modules to get enough megacyte
I did end up with plenty of everything else though.

So perhaps CCP would have to do initial seeding of high ends either phased out or in the form of one time lump sums for people to get through
Like say 10k of each hull, usem and they are gone until rebuilt

I mean that could work, I was sitting in cruisers in a week after starting clean, after that it would likely see bpos being purchased and the bootstrapping up to the current level rather quickly.
FireFrenzy
Cynosural Samurai
#14 - 2014-08-18 20:38:23 UTC
Well i suppose the clasical solution to this problem (i think Everquest did this for a while) was to run a legacy server a long ass time behind in patches...

Say it was 5 years behind and one a 1 expansion a year cycle (just random numbers)

It'd launch in 2010 with the 2005 content, and then keep pace so 2011 would be 2006 content etc.

This worked well because at the time you could still play the old content and old endgame stuff was still end game (in the local meta as it were)

That said it would mean making eve more then one shard (which will prolly never happen)... And I'd be seriously pissed if they just flat out deleted my character, the stuff i can more or less live with but my 100m sp that'd be ******* uncool...
Velicitia
XS Tech
#15 - 2014-08-18 21:26:56 UTC
Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
problem with a fresh start (amongst other things) is that you would immediately nuke the following:

1. Market
2. PLEX
3. Gameplay (it'd be noobships online for several days, and "frigates online" for weeks, if not months -- who cares if you can fly it, when there aren't any owned BPOs yet - so nothing's on the market ... or if there are, the BPO is godawful and it costs you 250m for a Domi ... oh, and you can't sell a PLEX for more than 100m).

Everything will be relative, everything will stabilize, one day at a time. Plex will still be worth a Plex, might just be traded for a few weeks, and what are a few weeks in Eve Roll

"Frigates online" for a short time ? Again, where is the problem, Code is "destgroyer online", some WH will be frig only, SB, Cov Ops, the new Cov Ops etc. etc. so we already got it.

Not advocating it, just saying - not gonna be as horrendous as you'd like to paint it.



yeah, maybe it won't totally suck for the guys who don't mind "small ships online" -- but it would put a hell of a damper on sov and nullsec shenanigans, since you outright cannot claim sov (mechanics wise) without having an alliance ...

And, seriously, those stories are usually what bring people to check the game out ...

In either event though, it really wouldn't change anything -- sure that guy over there is L2 in his frigate skills just like everyone else ... but he's still got his player experience, and can make that L2-skill-shitfit perform better than you (or rather, the OP) can.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia