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Parents: How are you playing Eve?

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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#41 - 2014-08-17 11:37:34 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Please do not let this thread turn into a , my kid is smarter than your kid - my kid is the smartest kid on the planet sorry-ass pissing contest.

i didn't mean mine specificly in my last comment there, i meant children in general.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#42 - 2014-08-17 12:55:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:

What they frequently have trouble with is their parent confusing them by dumbing the explanation down or just using poor language thinking they are making it easier for them, kids are a lot more intelligent than you give them credit for.

Oh, so much this. Most people handicap their child's development without even realizing.

Especially at that age, they're a sponge and they'll soak up whatever you give them.

Yeah at that age their capacity for learning is several orders of magnitude greater than most adults ability to teach.

The confusion between kids being stupid and simply being inexperienced (or just having a smaller reference pool) is at times both sad and hilarious to watch. The sad part is mainly comes in when people really should know better.

e: wtfcopypastegrammar
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#43 - 2014-08-17 13:06:26 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:

What they frequently have trouble with is their parent confusing them by dumbing the explanation down or just using poor language thinking they are making it easier for them, kids are a lot more intelligent than you give them credit for.

Oh, so much this. Most people handicap their child's development without even realizing.

Especially at that age, they're a sponge and they'll soak up whatever you give them.

Yeah at that age their capacity for learning is several orders of magnitude greater than most adults ability to teach.

The confusion between kids being stupid and simply being inexperienced (or just having a smaller reference pool) is at times both sad and hilarious to watch. The sad part is mainly when it comes in when people really should know better.

exactly this
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#44 - 2014-08-17 13:25:26 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
. My ultimate view is - you can't raise kids and seriously game. Impossible. One or the other will suffer.


Can you raise kids and play football?
Can you raise kids and have hobbies, or is it only gaming that you cannot do with kids?
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#45 - 2014-08-17 13:44:47 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
I didn't play any game but Parenting for twenty+ years. I don't see how anyone could possibly pursue a gaming interest, properly maintain a household and raise children at the same time. I see people claiming they're doing it all the time. I have serious doubts. What makes this very difficult is how the economy has devolved into a form of economic slavery requiring two spouses to work in order to make ends meet. (I think my sleep went back to normal around three years after the last one moved out.)

I'm not going to go into a morality/sociology diatribe about it. Unfortunately, like designer coffee, parents get to raise their kids "how they see fit" in this world. That's often a mask for "not raise them at all"; fast food diets, parking the offspring in front of the Cartoon Channel...then we laugh at generations that can't find their own state on a map. To each his own. You're free to ruin your progeny after your own image. My ultimate view is - you can't raise kids and seriously game. Impossible. One or the other will suffer.

Love Child - The documentary


This ^^.

Most of the current economic and social problems have resulted from 'equality' and the resulting requirement for two or more wages being needed to buy a house. In the UK at least. Personally I feel one of the parents making the children should be at home to look after them. It doesn't have to be the mother but one should be there. I can understand why that isn't the case now though for various reasons.

PS I don't have children and don't intend to. Far too many people having far too many children.............'Utopia' anyone ? Evil

" They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. " Rick. " Find out what ? " Abraham. " They're screwing with the wrong people. " Rick. Season four.   ' The Walking Dead. ' .

Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#46 - 2014-08-17 13:49:55 UTC
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:
Serene Repose wrote:
I didn't play any game but Parenting for twenty+ years. I don't see how anyone could possibly pursue a gaming interest, properly maintain a household and raise children at the same time. I see people claiming they're doing it all the time. I have serious doubts. What makes this very difficult is how the economy has devolved into a form of economic slavery requiring two spouses to work in order to make ends meet. (I think my sleep went back to normal around three years after the last one moved out.)

I'm not going to go into a morality/sociology diatribe about it. Unfortunately, like designer coffee, parents get to raise their kids "how they see fit" in this world. That's often a mask for "not raise them at all"; fast food diets, parking the offspring in front of the Cartoon Channel...then we laugh at generations that can't find their own state on a map. To each his own. You're free to ruin your progeny after your own image. My ultimate view is - you can't raise kids and seriously game. Impossible. One or the other will suffer.

Love Child - The documentary


This ^^.

Most of the current economic and social problems have resulted from 'equality' and the resulting requirement for two or more wages being needed to buy a house. In the UK at least. Personally I feel one of the parents making the children should be at home to look after them. It doesn't have to be the mother but one should be there. I can understand why that isn't the case now though for various reasons.

PS I don't have children and don't intend to. Far too many people having far too many children.............'Utopia' anyone ? Evil

as a child of a single working mother, Bull****.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#47 - 2014-08-17 13:52:51 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:
Most of the current economic and social problems have resulted from 'equality' and the resulting requirement for two or more wages being needed to buy a house. In the UK at least. Personally I feel one of the parents making the children should be at home to look after them. It doesn't have to be the mother but one should be there. I can understand why that isn't the case now though for various reasons.

PS I don't have children and don't intend to. Far too many people having far too many children.............'Utopia' anyone ? Evil

as a child of a single working mother, Bull****.

Seconded. If anything, it's the nonsensical obsession of owning houses that has broken stuff, along with this laughable modern notion that children need constant adult (and especially parental) supervision. Lol

They haven't needed it in the last 15,000 years or so and are unlikely to need it in the following eons either.
Marsha Mallow
#48 - 2014-08-17 14:28:16 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:

Most of the current economic and social problems have resulted from 'equality' and the resulting requirement for two or more wages being needed to buy a house. In the UK at least. Personally I feel one of the parents making the children should be at home to look after them. It doesn't have to be the mother but one should be there. I can understand why that isn't the case now though for various reasons.

as a child of a single working mother, Bull****.

+1
Tbf my mother is known as "she who must be obeyed" and bedtime was 7pm sharp until I was about 10, then 10pm til about 15. Despite having a stressful job and being single, if she had wanted to play online games she probably would have made time when I was asleep. It wasn't a lights out policy (could read in room), but she made time to decompress after work doing what she wanted. It doesn't seem a bad policy once your children have a sleeping pattern to make a concerted effort to reserve a portion of every day for yourself. I go to friends-with-kids houses and notice some don't seem to have a particularly strict routine, bedtime is always a battle and the household revolves around the kids when they are awake. Their parents are often hiding in another room away from the noise anyway, and the only time they get to relax is when they pack the kids off to relatives.

Tippia wrote:
Seconded. If anything, it's the nonsensical obsession of owning houses that has broken stuff

We rented when I was a child, partly because my mother was so dismissive of the notion of home ownership. The landlord was responsible for maintenance, which is important for single parents who can't do a lot of home improvements. But the main reason was to free up money for things she saw as more important, like holidays. That attitude resulted in her being constantly criticised by friends and family when I was growing up but we used to travel 6-8 weeks every year abroad and domestically which was awesome. There's no house for me to inherit as an adult, but she acted as guarantor on my morgage, which I wish I hadn't got now as the house is in negative equity anyway :P

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#49 - 2014-08-17 21:07:19 UTC
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Serene Repose
#50 - 2014-08-18 13:54:52 UTC
I'm impressed by the simplistic, one-liner dismissals of what is more than just a little complicated. For instance, selling houses priced at a certain amount to people who obviously couldn't afford them...gets turned into a neurotic obsession to own a house. That was a cute right hand turn there. The lenders knew the borrowers couldn't pay, but they were bundling off the mortgage anyway....SO. Nice try there.

In the U.S., by the way, "people" get really good to you when you OWN your house. You even get a higher class of junk mail; stuff you never see as a renter. Of course, home ownership makes for stable neighborhoods and communities is an undisputed fact. No, we aren't taking seriously everyone exercising a supposed right to free speech who think they're experts. We understand the logic of the infallible brain, and other works of fiction.

Parenting in a world of people destined for economic slavery gets rather difficult, I guess. Is your goal to have children who don't get arrested, but land jobs? There's no more to it than that...or to make good shoppers...yeah. Count your change...or be able to tell if you're being screwed by a credit card company. Wait, everybody's being screwed with credit cards. Right. Or the 401k. Oh yeah, everybody's getting screwed with those, too.

Actually, being a human being in this world today is rather vapid and one-dimensional. Let your kids do what they want. Hell. Give 'em the car keys at ten years old. Letting them be FREE has to be more important than any other consideration. There I go again...there ARE no considerations! This gets easier by the minute!

I was raised by an uneducated misanthrope who sided as a geek in a carnival. My dad was a Sunday driver who refused to buy us seafood on our outings. I turned out alright! There's your standard. Raise your kids like EVE players think they should be raised! If that's not good enough for you, ask about it in WoW. I'm sure they know.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

NoLife NoFriends StillPosting
Doomheim
#51 - 2014-08-18 14:52:31 UTC
pretty funny listening to some of these kids who live on the forums giving parenting advice. Roll

Just goes to show you that most of these regulars will give advice on things they have no experience with. Color me surprised.
Benar Ellecon
Card games on MOTORCYCLES
#52 - 2014-08-18 15:18:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Benar Ellecon
In line with the original question...

I have a 9 year old girl, a 5 year old boy, and we just had our third, another girl! Shocked

Yes, I have to wait until after bedtime to get some playing in now for a while and mostly tend to the skill queue, but that is ok with me for now. I still get to do some solo roaming at night and now I am getting into a bit of industry as well (never really touched it) and looking at some market trading.
I feel there is always something to do in the game although I cannot be on as mush as I was until the little tot gets a little older. The best part is the older sister can give a helping hand to alleviate some of the burden.

It is no big deal. The game does not rule my life; I enjoy it for what it is: a game.

Fly with your hair on FIRE!

De'Veldrin
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2014-08-18 15:21:26 UTC
I didn't game when my kids were younger. Once they could walk, talk, and routinely use the bathroom on their own, I felt confident enough that between my wife and I we could handle it.Now they are all teenagers or grown and out of the house, so I'm rarely bothered by anything more complex in the parenting department than "No, you're not wearing that to school, I can see your ass cheeks hanging out the back of your shorts." and "Yes, I know she's a complete *****, but she's your cousin and you can't really say that at Thanksgiving."

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.

Ra' zutao
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#54 - 2014-08-18 15:31:32 UTC
As a Parent of a 1 1/2 year old, being a night owl I just stay up and play till she goes to bed then stay up with my wife till she goes to sleep then I have 1 1/2 - 2 1/2 hours before I go to sleep usually around 11:30-12-15.

So I still get a good amount of time in.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#55 - 2014-08-18 16:56:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Serene Repose wrote:
I'm impressed by the simplistic, one-liner dismissals of what is more than just a little complicated.
I take it that this is why you're so prone to using them? Because you believe they're impressive?

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For instance, selling houses priced at a certain amount to people who obviously couldn't afford them...gets turned into a neurotic obsession to own a house. That was a cute right hand turn there.
Not particularly. Why did you take that turn?

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Parenting in a world of people destined for economic slavery gets rather difficult, I guess.
Not really. All you have to do is teach them the important stuff and let kids be kids (and let adults be adults).

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Actually, being a human being in this world today is rather vapid and one-dimensional. Let your kids do what they want. Hell. Give 'em the car keys at ten years old. Letting them be FREE has to be more important than any other consideration. There I go again...there ARE no considerations! This gets easier by the minute!
That's a nice spiel you've got there. I sure hope you don't believe any of that nonsense (and if you don't, why did you inject it into the discussion)? Of course, given your previous suggestion that everyone must adapt to some consumerist and conformist ideal, one starts to wonder…

Also, your views on the (in)capabilities of children is downright frightening.

Oh, and…
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Of course, home ownership makes for stable neighborhoods and communities is an undisputed fact.
Good. Then you can trivially provide a mountain of proof. If you could also prove that this supposed stability was a good thing, then that would be a bonus…
De'Veldrin
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2014-08-18 17:30:42 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Not really. All you have to do is teach them the important stuff and let kids be kids (and let adults be adults).


This is pretty much the approach my wife and I took. We taught them the important things (like ethical behavior) and let them figure out the minor stuff (like pulling the TV off the stand onto your head hurts) on their own. My goal as a parent was to raise well adjusted, critically thinking, reasonably intelligent members of society. What they choose to make of themselves in life is on them, not me.

Though for the record they seem to be doing alright - one wants to be a cop, one seems to want to do "something in construction" like his grandfather, and the youngest wants to be an artist (or maybe a linguist - she can't decide. I told her to do both.)

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#57 - 2014-08-18 17:53:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Trash Candice wrote:
Parents: How are you playing EVE?

We did weekly outings from 8p to 12a, though often those with kids had a delayed start as they were getting the kid to bed.

One person I know is logged-in 23/7, but only at the keyboard a few minutes at a time.

There are ways to make it work, if you are willing.

Most kids don't seem to have the attention span for EVE, given those that were introduced to it and given their own account. Most just want to click and see neat stuff on the screen.
Sophie Bardeux
Prometheus Research and Industry
#58 - 2014-08-18 18:35:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Sophie Bardeux
PI. Lots and lots of PI.

Lost a Stiletto the other day because I left it at a gate in Null to attend to the mini-missus.

I am basically logging in to check the skill queue and PI on the side to keep up a reserve. Play time is down to minutes a day.
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#59 - 2014-08-18 18:49:20 UTC
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote:
pretty funny listening to some of these kids who live on the forums giving parenting advice. Roll

Just goes to show you that most of these regulars will give advice on things they have no experience with. Color me surprised.

Has it occurred to you that the reason why some of us shiptoast on the forums regularly may have something to do with having more important things to do than play games?
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#60 - 2014-08-18 18:51:32 UTC
Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Father(stay at home) of twin boys , 3yolds.
hunting my fellow man is all that keeps me sane.


You, my friend, have my deepest sympathies. I told my wife that if we have twins with this next one, that we are giving one to the circus. Of course my three year old daughter latched onto this, and keeps saying that "we have to give the ugly one to the circus, I want to keep the cute one."



hahahaha thats adoreable
Also a complete lie. A child of age 3 will not have that kind of sentence structure, let alone the understanding of twins. It is more likely if the story is even true that the child is repeating what it has heard. Would also be more like send ugly one circus rather than the sentence example above.

Was most likely a one time deal. Unless of course it is talked about daily and even then the child would just be repeating what it heard with no compression of what it's saying.



actually not true at al, my son at 3 will not shut up, he talks perfectly fine, and is in the 'I love it phase' He says things like

'um.. dad.. whats that?' "That is my PoS son." "OH! I love your PoS dad!"

or "Dad what you doing?" "Playing eve.." "I want to play!" "um ok..." *sets on lap* "no don't hit that... so don't self destrouct.. stop that!" "dad go there! I love that!" "sigh..."

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.