EVE General Discussion

Well... if the parents want to raise the kids without much assistance from anyone then yes, I would agree with you.

If you ascribe to the "it takes a village to raise a kid" philosophy (as many older cultures do) then it is very possible... because the grandparents, aunts, uncles, and everyone else related to the kids is involved and can take some of burden off the parents... for small periods of time at least.

Unfortunately this method does require having good relationships with other family members and/or sucking up one's pride and/or concerns about the person whom they have entrusted the kid to.

For a start, anyone who "seriously games" generally doesn't do anything else.
In morality or ethics discussions, extreme cases aren't helpful.
That extreme case from South Korea is from a country catapulted from rural Confucian values directly into the highest tech available. They have bought into gadgets and technology 200%. Indicative of this is the solution: outlawing children from gaming between midnight and 6am. Here we have the state stepping into people's lives due to pessimism about common sense, possibly the worst solution that could be tried. Think about that, laws governing your children's hobbies.
My wife is South Korean, by the way.
Also, the fact that parents raise their kids "how they see fit" is far from new. I've been places where children are raised to be savage, selfish and manipulative. To do any different would be to set them at a disadvantage with the prevailing culture.
When you judge others on how they raise their kids, you are straying into the forbidden triangle of relationships / politics / religion that shouldn't be wandered into lightly, because people kill each other over these things.

Damn son.

That's why I'm in this alliance in the first place. Most irl friendly alliance I could find after I resubbed a while back.

But hey, I'll bite.

Raising children and serious gaming are not the only two options. There's a whole continuum between these poles that is totally viable and healthy.

Counterexamples: this thread.

Protip to all the readers thinking about starting a family out there: ignore the abridged screed above.

Just because you have had a child does not mean that society demands that you don a hairshirt and hang yourself upon the cross of parenthood for the next twenty years. If you do not give yourself, your spouse, and your child the time and space to be complete human beings with their own opinions, relationships, and interests (including gaming) then you will all come out of the other end of next few decades physically and emotionally crippled. Make time for yourself. Make time for each other. Share your interests, but allow everyone to find their own way to engage. The rest is just bookkeeping.

Took a break during pregnancy because... well because pregnant woman in the house. Consolidated 3 toons onto one account after the baby was born. I play while she eats on the kitchen PC. Sometimes I do industry on the living room TV while she plays (with toys in the living room, not Eve).

I do missions and industry for money, and have a stratios exploring on a 5 year mission. Even with only getting an hour here and an hour there and with high PLEX prices, it adds up quick. Then I can go play in a wormhole or low or null.

As far as my daughter (15 months) is concerned, I'm still on "restricted" game time. My son is 15, and was 10 when I started. He did not hinder me from playing nearly as much. Which leads in to the next question, I tried to get him to play it, but he does not want to. However, when he was 5 years old or so, I would play freelancer and give him a joystick and let him fire the missiles. I plan on doing the same with my daughter when she is old enough.

as a mother of 3 kids, my best advice is never let your youngest son name your toon.

they are all 4 years older now and they have stopped pulling at my legs complaining that they want fed, again!. i mean, every day

just after downtime when i am settling into my couch to look at the mineral markets and see how much of my escrow is left,

Up they come pulling at me saying things like mum i am hungry, whats for dinner?

dinner i shout?

you want fed again, you got food yesterday, but more importantly have you seen what the price of plex is today, and dont get me started on the isogen/mexallon prices.

only kidding

the kids were taken off of me 2 years ago when i was doing 7 days 23 hours of the legion blitz fleet. (good days when an NCO could be wiped out in less than 2 minutes, drive by stylee)

my 2 isk worth

Nope, that's actually all true. She has exceptional verbal comprehension for her age.

But please, don't let my actual experiences with my child gainsay your expertise, oh random NPC alt.

confirming from first hand experience, both of my own twins and other children their age, they have actually been friends with.
id say a third don't get what twins are but generally kids don't have trouble with the concept .
What they frequently have trouble with is their parent confusing them by dumbing the explanation down or just using poor language thinking they are making it easier for them, kids are a lot more intelligent than you give them credit for.
my kids have a remarkable clarity to their speech for their age also ,now it took nearly six months longer than normal to teach them how to vocalise anything at all (common with twins) but once they started talking the aforementioned scentance is trivial.

Yeah at that age their capacity for learning is several orders of magnitude greater than most adults ability to teach.

I agree with you two.

But parenting advice? In General Discussion of the EVE-O forums? I never imagined that happening. I thought I'd seen everything in here, but this is a new one. And frankly, it's hilarious.

Mr Epeen