Wormholes

Ahh... see this discussion just had a great idea from epicurus ataraxia

I can get exited about the potential of a new class of WH (call it C7) that can only be reached by these frigate size WHs and would spawn multiple connections. This space could have brand new content: sites that could be run by a frigate fleet. Sites that could be mined or gassed by the new exploration frigates.... all sorts of possibilities that added PVE content (a reason to go there and try to control it) so that PVP would be a outcome and winning would be desirable.

So what do you add PVE wise? my answer, everything: ore, frigate sites, ghost sites, gas, moon goo through ring mining, ICE, Relic or data sites that contained new materials for high meta module and deployable pos module items. That makes for exiting space, a sort of fleet war on steroids meeting space that could promise riches and was only reachable through WH space. You now have a potential carrot and the stick of PVP to make things happen that all parties in WH space will enjoy and a reason for more brave souls to enter WH space and take up residence so they might find these nasty little frigate holes to riches or doom.

The connections from this WH would be to many other WHs so the highway into the new C7 would have ample opportunity for multiple parties to find.

That makes something I was humdrum about suddenly very exiting and gives WH dwellers a reason to work on frigate doctrines. My one fear is that it still could too easily become a blob fest.

Yes, It is a really great opportunity to add so much to wormhole space, I really hope it is not to difficult to do, as it will add as much excitement than the space we have, and different enough conditions, to really get people thinking.

The natural restrictions due to the size of the hole (devoter is the only ship I can see that could carry a small pos so would need looking at to prevent so no pos's) naturally discourages a blob fest, as they would, in practice, have to come in from outside.
When one cannot put large quantities in a pos, then the balance would work.

There will be blob fleets of frigates in space, but the larger holes would be easier pickings for them. And as blobs need to feed then that's more their target.

There would be a lot of PVP but the new hole would suit and attract, small gang better, and I believe it would be incredibly vibrant.
Profitable? Yes, but never safe.

How are you keeping hole control during a siege?

Can't collapse these and the enemy simply swarms enough frigs in or out to get a destination / other strategic data/advantages.

These wormholes are pointless, except as Mytal pointed out, for giving nullbears the shot of confidence that comes from mass regeneration. Nullbears only enter wormholes they know will exist. And only then if it has an auto-bookarking feature (otherwise known as a stargate) which even the most ham-fisted muddy-footed nullsec ploughshare can utilise.

However, there's a LOT of people in this thread who are idiots. These are the people who say that frigates (and in this we include, c.f., bombers, AF's and EAF's) instapop from Sleepers. This is just not true. If you have logi on field, and are movving, often you take no damage from Sleepers, and only when webbed. Deal with webbing frigates early and often, and you can easily run C3 outposts with two AFs and one Execquror.

Yeah, re-read that if you are blind and cannot believe it.

Two AFs, one Exeq. I'd put a video up, but it's NSFW (not safe for w-bears).

The fact is, there is a lot of hide-bound and wrongheaded stereoptyping, tradition and mythology about w-space and what you can and cannot do Sleeper sites or PVP in. This tends to run towards the "armour is king"and the "T3 fleets are teh boss".

CCP Fozzie, despite his manifold and immense faults, is not mad to introduce frigate sized wormholes, nor to rejig W-R systems to make frigate sized weapons (theoretically used on Frigates) absolutely off the hook. All he is fighting against is a hell of a lot of people who have been indoctrinated into the whole mythos of "must bring Proteus, or neut legion, or Jamgu plus 6 Guardians" that infects w-space.

Good luck on changing that, Fozzie. You are only fighting a tide of fools who accept without questioning, and parrot what they hear reverberating from the inside of their own skulls.

Don't forget it would be nice and much more realistic if the wh modification stats also applied to POS and structures (+ -shield, +-armor, etc.)

You might be in the wrong thread, but just to clarify. Wormholes do not work like that.

System effects only apply to Player ships and systems.

They have no effect on sleepers, structures, or other items.

The balancing of expanding on that would basically make wormhole space a very different place, and much less viable.

I understand why one would wish to be able to destroy a POS with ease in a armour boosting/shield weakening effect, but much of wormhole space would be uninhabitable.

So It would not be nice at all.

And we find wormhole space quite realistic, the mechanics may be hard to discover and learn, but they are ALWAYS consistent, and repeatable once you have discovered their complexity.

You know how every B274 in the game ends up in Amarr space? it's exactly like that with the dronelands and Nullsex.

Who's living in nullsex?

That's right, PL's botting empire scrublords Brothers Of Tangra.

I would be concerned if 50 ventures come through and scrub your ore belts out.

Most likely you will see 2 coming through and then 100 stuck on the outside wondering why they cant jump in their cruisers

I am more interested in keeping Eve exciting for new players. I suggest CCP look at incenting value in the c1's , c2's atleast to get less skilled players in them. Currently there are few pos's in c1's and transit pvp seems to be the main activity. If we make c1's and c2's a little more valuable we could keep new players involved more in eve. New players become isk spenders as they grow the economy. Currently we seem to be placating the larger corps, we saw what happened to null.

This is going to be like FW in low-sec. Bunch of cheap **** frigates