Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'm pretty sure they all do more damage now with 5 guns then they did back when they had 6+ guns. You just need to train Command Ships V.

Since they are basically HACs on steroids I really don't see anything wrong with this.

I don't know how you fit your CS, but Snuff's Absolutions do tank comparable damage levels as Legions and deal better DPS.

Well, if they would be able to deal the same damage with just 1 damage module and could fit the same tank as back then, their would have been nerfed into the ground to compensate. Or of the stats would have stayed the same, we now would have CS Online.

It is only Ishtar/T3 online, because they are good and every big player in the game and urged their players to train for them. If CS were good, every big player in the game would have urged their players to train for CS. And to be fair, the Absolution is better than the Legion or at least equal; the Astarte is very well capable of doing PVE and PVP alike comparable to Tengu/Proteus and Ishtar. Nighthawks allow for very interesting small fleet setups. The only thing that's "bad" about the CS is their lack of agility, which makes it tiresome to fly them.

Awww, the old Nighthawk. I miss the Ferox Nighthawk.

Command ships, like t3s, get silly when you bother to get the bling out. 100k HP and 1500 DPS out of an astarte, which matches cruiser speeds. 6k DPS tank on sliepnirs. Nighthawk turn into bricks of insane shields.
I'd still love to get the extra turret, just pointing out that these, like t2 battleships, should be being used for fights they will win and thus shinied accordingly.

Agreed, however even in that situation I think 9.5/10 times people would field a shiny t3 over a shiny CS(sleipnir over loki in certain situations). It makes sense to give CS that edge again. I'm usually not comfortable flying a 2b isk CS. Too squishy still with too low DPS for the price point(looking at Astarte/Abso/damnation/vulture/nighthawk/Claymore). Sleipnir stands out because the agility/speed it has over the others and an Eos because drones OP. Claymore receives no love because of missile range/tank.

So how about more tank and more gank?

[Astarte, New Setup 1]

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Explosive Hardener II

Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
10MN Microwarpdrive II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II

1119 DPS with heat and a larger active tank than the old one. Oh and its faster too.

Nice fit. Fits the gap I've mentioned. Would fly it solo with the reps granted I'm hitting a battleship or stationary cruiser and not being shot at by a fleet. That's one of those .5/10 times fit I'm talking about.

However again, One ship that stands out of many more that still cannot compete to the level that they both need/used too.

On paper these ships seem just fine. But when it comes to reality and when you can actually use that fit there is always seemingly a better/cheaper options than flying the CS these days. It still needs more Umph to make these ships fill the unique niche they used too.

Although unnecessary as we have them right in front of us I'm game. Can I get my missile Ferox back..?

Combat fitted Command Ships are onyl useful in low sec gangs where they have a little bit more damage than its normal battlecruiser buddies, much more tank and provides links to his buddies. Null sec, does not get fitted combat, full links and mega tank fit for the fc's and backup fc's to fly.

Working as intended.