Player Features and Ideas Discussion

whats the point of keeping the limit?

you seem to have more information as we have. Where can i find details on this?

Google programing, stacless python and hardlimit as phrases, the combination of the three (assuming it doesn't kill you) should make Sahara's comments about effort/benefit make more sense.

The limit of 250km wasn't always there and we could at one time shoot as far as the grid and ship fit allowed. I cannot remember it being for any server or code reasoning at the time, in fact I remember thinking it was a poor choice to make. But then it wasn't the first and last one made.

So yes they could remove it and I for one cannot guess as to just how hard coded it is. As I like everyone else posting so far, doesn't have a clue as to the actual change that was made.

It's probably coded pretty deep in EVE's entrails, and it's not as easy as editing one line, even if it were not.

Changing the max lock range will force CCP to fix deploy ranges on most deployables, most notably the ESS, since towers can hit to 400km+ with long range ammo, thus creating an even safer spot for the thing than the current triggered anoms.

Still, I think the advantages far outweight the problems it might generate.

You are just repeating what i said in the OP. The lock range is not 150km for a reason. Minimal warprange and maximal lockrange are two unrelated limits. Ongrid warping combined with combat probing provides a nice counter to extreme range sniping. Thats awesome since gamestyles are most fun if they have a counter. Add defensive interdiction and it becomes even more interesting.

More lock range allows many fittings to project damage further.

Large rails can hit beyond lockrange too. I am not sure if you can do the same with projectile ships but this would make it already one+ weapon system per faction which would benefit from it.

Why i am not seeing this idea.

even shooting from 150-249 is avoided for this reason. Can't speak for apoc as never flew it. Now from rokh though I have pyfa fits for mine I have flown already.

I have pyfa with 3 mag stabs II's giving this 353 dps with spike. 2 TC II ranged even gets this about 253 km opt. Nice range...to chip paint. Assuming it actual hits for max damage every time. Rokh has no tracking bonus in ship. TC is running range script. And spike is not scared to degrade tracking.

Basically unless bubbled and tackled down hard...this rokh is missing the broad side of stations. And if bubbled and tackled down this hard...the much better use of rokh is running CNAM around 70km max (my opt in some fits) or even javelin to pop whatever much faster.


Also really interested, op, in what fits you have in mind to use this range. Care to share wheat you'd run if you had this? See with rokh to get lock and gun range...I have created some truly fail fits. The Sebo and TC is killing me. But maybe you are seeing an angle i am not. So what rokh or apoc (top candidates for this since established as snipers already with right fits) that won't die to strong wind even blowing on them. Can be other ships as well, i am giving ou the easier choices so make it harder if your want.

2 rules:

no t2 rigs, this is not the norm for standard fleet pvp sub caps (t3 excluded, insert grrr op t3 rant here lol)

no associated rig skill 5. Sorry but I am not training hybrid rig 5 for you, nor are many others. And I know full well what hybrid rigs do at level 4 to my grids. Lets keeps these in place for a challenge. As it will be real world what most will have. You can assume rig skill 4...any skill worth training it worth training to 4 is an old eve standard practice.

even then....

with, I hope, ccp working the ogb issue and a solution presented one day it be kind of a meh fix. As there is the booster...now on grid....at wtf ranges. Fleet fights might be getable. Fleet fights aren't the big issue here though, its the slapped together roam/camp that has the ogb somewhere. 8 jump 4....4 still can't kill the booster to even the odds out some.

They will still have the booster out of harms reach. Or can see the on grid warp coming and gtfo. Now you get the fun game of them hopping in and out the whole fight and you chasing them down. Sick little game there really. Yeah a booster in warp not boosting. But you rships warping around all night to scare them off is not applying dps to the fight a decent chunk of time. Not sure who is winning there really.

OP might say well the sniper will snipe them. Unless extremely poorly tanked that rokh with spike is not breaking tank well. if it hits, tracking so god awful I see flying under guns at range even being very possible. Raven snipe of doom...go for low sig (which they do now to make probing harder), mix in some speed to play with radii games, they aren't tagging it hard either. Hope the apocs can hit I guess, and hard enough....