Wormholes

It ain't so.

1. There are plenty of groups that find PVP through chain scanning already. That said, for those who enjoy rage-rolling for pvp, these changes make it more annoying. Not impossible, just a bit slower. That means that instead of spending on average 2-3 hours in between finding something, perhaps you spend 3-4. It's not going to ruin rage rolling, just make an already slow tedious process even more so.

2/3. The problem here is that both can happen. It's quite common though to find someone peek through a WH with a triage carrier. This carrier can join the fight already underway as long as you can predict where it will land. Of course, if I have a 20km bubble in which the carrier may land, it's too much unknown. Sure, as long as you are assured to hold to field you can still commit, but 15km of boating in a capital that's probably being webbed means that if you intend to leave, you will not be able to.

Caps jumping through now can be assured that they're within a few km of refit range. After the patch not so much.

It's not that we're "not badass" or whatever it's more a case of less control in an expensive situation (well, I don't claim to be, but you get my point). Committing capitals is a major decision in a fight, and these changes would make that decision more permanent. This in turn would obviously lead to fewer people intentionally committing capitals, and thus fewer fights outside someone's home system.

On the other hand, we may see more people getting jumped rolling holes, but that will effect small groups MUCH more than large ones, because smaller groups may not have enough people to defend a capital under attack.

In fact, I would guess that this new mechanic is pretty likely to change the meta for WH's. It seems it's intended too. Instead of lots of rage-rolling might we see more cloakies camping and waiting to catch capitals when they go for the roll? We'll see.

Anyway, there's nothing "badass" about being reckless with expensive toys.

Everything you say is pretty much spot on. Most of the crying is coming from isk farmers or so called pvp'er who are only looking for easy targets.

im tired of you, your killboard shows that you barely lose a billion a month(if you lose anything at all) with often 10s of billions in kills.
you have 100% efficiency some months.

pot meet kettle

the mass change change is obviously not gonna hurt ixtab that much with your 355 members either. you can just blob people when someone catches your caps rolling.

to op

it doesn't really matter anymore does it, change is already going through. time will tell who was right and who was wrong in all these whine threads. i will say this though, when you roll into another entity that either outnumbers you or can field similar numbers you are ****** for the day/night after this patch.

Thanks for your kind replies, guys.

This is probably a stupid question, but what's the advantage of jumping back a carrier? Wouldn't the hostiles just jump with it and tackle it on the other side?

A carrier jumping both directions totals a mass of over 2B kg. The largest holes are only 3B. As such, when the carrier jumps back the hole tends to either be VoC or closed entirely. My experience is that people are most likely to bring a carrier when they know it will collapse the hole behind it upon retreat.

Much thanks, now it's clear:

1) Home systems give a huge advantage, since you can build all the ships you want. So you wouldn't want to bring expensive stuff to somebody else's home system without having your own system next door or close by

2) Wormhole's mass limit currently lets you almost play 'station games' with a carrier. Being within jump range = being within docking range, if nasty people can't follow you back


So yeah, I understand how Hyperion would disrupt the current metagame.


But maybe for the better, you never know. Maybe more fights in empty systems, where both parties would be on equal footing?

On the contrary, the corporations within Ixtab live in separate wormhole so that we don't become just another overwhelming force. We roam in small gangs taking fights wherever we can but we can't help our ruthless efficiency... seeing how half of the alliance is German.

Personally I feel that wormholes have needed a shake up for quite a while. I would have been happy if the mechanics stayed the same but CCP added new content to revitalize wormhole space but if we can't have that now, i feel most of the changes are the next best thing to new content.

I came into wormhole space after pretty much everything had been discovered and gamed to death (eve survival etc.) but this change gives us all the opportunity to discover something new and hopefully, CCP will continue to work at keep wormhole space, the best space!

Yeah it's basically a Mexican standoff where the guy who warps a carrier and bubbles up first, can pull out at anytime without being chased.

PVP wise, the home team does and always will have the advantage but that helps the smaller group more that the bigger guys (small gangs don't roll to fight HK). After the changes, if you are the instigator you have to take the initial risk but you can mitigate it with the right planning and being quick.

We have committed to commiting when ever commitment is possible.

But I'm still not a fan of the mass changes.

Oh Hi,
first excuse me for my following bad english...
Yeah you're right, i was one of these who was not in the mood to fight you.
Possible it was because...um.. let me think... it was 02:00 in the morning for our timezone, all souls where sleeping. we where working all the day and after that had several fights and later on we where getting drunk because...we are germans.

I found it funnier to watch your provocative words from inside the cloaky t3, see you walking on the highsec like a men.
[ 2014.08.11 23:53:04 ] Tim Nering > i was told if i went into a wh and called ppl cunts i would get fights
No Tim, you where proved wrong.

Fly safe, sir.
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