Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I've been intrigued by the Nestor since I started playing Eve - the flexibility to adapt to different roles appeals to me. I've created generalist characters that dabble in many areas of the New Eden sandbox, why not a generalist ship?

One problem has been price. For less than the cost of a Nestor I can buy an Onerios for logistics, a Stratios for exploration and a Rattlesnake for combat - each much better in its specialized role than the Nestor.

The idea of adding a ship maintenance bay, presumably with fleet fitting service, got me thinking about the ship again. The ability to refit on the fly has been available since the mobile depot was introduced but built in and fleet accessible adds considerable value. The perfect spot for a ship with these capabilities is wormhole space but a lot of wormholes have a 20 million kg mass restriction and it would be nice if we could shrink Nestor to that level – call it a “Pocket” Battleship. I’d be willing to give up half the drone bay, some cargo space, a high slot and some tank to achieve this. To compensate, a lighter ship should be better able to speed tank.

I see the ship being fit for one role at a time with primary roles being:
* fleet support – logistics including a full squadron of heavy logistic drones, fleet fitting service and I would really like to see a command link.
* sniper – sentry drones and range bonus for lasers – should be a good choice for level 4 missions.
* wormhole exploration – role bonuses for scanning and hacking. Can fit a conventional cloak.

I would like the logistics skill added to the requirement to fly this ship with the logistic bonuses tied to this skill. Should also be a bonus for logistic drones.

As a smaller ship closer in size to a Battle Cruiser the price from the LP store can be reduced – perhaps 400,000 LP instead of 600,000. This would help bring the market price down and current owners could receive a refund of 200,000 SOE LP.

I don’t think this ship would be overpowered – it isn’t the best at any role. Its strength is the ability to switch roles which will be very valuable in wormhole space and attractive to people (like me) who own and love their Leatherman tool.

I would definitely buy one.

I appreciate that the Nestor is still getting changes, but I still won't fly mine in it's current state.

I actually think adding a ship maintenance bay makes the problem worse, not better. One of the main problems the Nestor has right now is that it really doesn't have a role, or the focus, to give it purpose. Ever since the stats were finalized players have asked the same question: 'Why?'

Adding a maintenance bay just takes the ship one step closer to a carrier, and at since the cost is the same most people would rather USE a carrier for the same function. I know the Nestor is supposed to be a wormhole vessel, but without a cloak it's really a sitting duck in there anyways. If a carrier is unavailable then logistics ships are cheaper and easier to replace.

I'd go as far as saying the maintenance bay is a step in the wrong direction. It really doesn't give the Nestor a purpose, it just makes it more like a carrier, for the same price point.

If you want to make the Nestor more useful, give the Nestor more of a wormhole focus. I know a covert ops cloak is out of the picture but for me the ideal change would be losing the probe strength and encryption bonuses, which don't work as well on a BS sized hull, in exchange for the Nestor to be invisible, or highly resistant, to probe scans. It wouldn't do anything when the enemy was on top of you, but it would be ALMOST as good as a cloak when trying to hide or setting up ambushes.

Its a support battleship that is ideal for small roaming gangs.

No need. Its not all that hard to get 3au out of any battleship.

Yet most people seems to not think its worth. Maybe the nestor just need a different metagame to shine. .. maybe after sov is completely changed upside down.. maybe.

A T2 hyperspace rig and a 15% warp speed implant still doesn't get a 2AU to 3AU. What do you think "not hard" qualifies as?

I think you need to check your math. 50% bonus, that means you get a free repper for every two you stick on it.
In this case, that's 9 RR modules effectively. So unless you're not doing cap chains on your Guardians a single Nestor reps more.

If you're running a pair of 4/1 Guardians, that's 8 RR modules to 9. Run with 3 people, you're doing 18 RR modules to the triple Guardians 12.

Nestor has more mids so it can do more funky stuff like double Sebo's which put it's lock times to comparable with Guardians. It can run WAY more ECCM. It's also got a full flight of bonused heavy/sentry drones. Guardians don't thrown down 400-500 dps each while doing reps.

It's not a replacement of Guardians, never said it was. But it's got some pretty good strengths and if the hull wasn't worth nearly a carrier, we'd see it a lot more. If you're an Incursion runner or a low end WH group, it's worth a look into once the price drops.

A T2 hyperspace rig and a 15% warp speed implant still doesn't get a 2AU to 3AU. What do you think "not hard" qualifies as?

He means you need to put 2bil of implants in your head to make the ship marginally useful in warp speed alone.

I think he defends Nestor too much, as quick glance doesnt show a single kill in a nestor on his profile.

baltec1, show us you actually used the nestor in a roam, and we will tip our hats to you. Otherwise, stop defending something you yourself dont use.