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Add booster alts to km so they are not misleading

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Lothras Andastar
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2014-08-10 13:12:41 UTC
Show us on the doll where he touched you.

Because the Legacy Code has too much Psssssssssssssssh, nothing will ever get fixed until CCP stop wasting money on failed sparkle MMOs and instead rewrite the entire backend of EvE from scratch.

SghnDubh
BattleClinic
#22 - 2014-08-10 15:23:18 UTC
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It seems you care since you are posting to try to keep them off killmails. I care as well. For one, because I used to at least loosely follow battleclinic rankings but they are now becoming completely fubar.


Not sure where you're getting that impression.

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And again we would put them on the killboard so the killboards are not misrepresenting the ships involved in the combat.


BC calculates "support points" which helps award those who shot at target but didn't get the FB. My team likes to call them whore points which I frown on. But because we tend to skew our points towards anti-blob activity, well, if we see CCP put logi contribution flags on a killmail we'll track these, but I can tell you the point value of the assist will likely only be a small portion of the overall point pool.

I've both flown and been buffed by logis, as most experienced pilots have, and I accept that I'm either a sitting duck or I'm the golden retriever. It's pretty black and white what the role is, and as valuable as a logi is to the fight, you can't win a fight without guns.
TheMercenaryKing
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2014-08-10 15:43:53 UTC
if there was a way, i think CCP should show this info on a kill mail, same goes for repping. As far as the weapons timer, Boosts should get them.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#24 - 2014-08-11 01:59:20 UTC
SghnDubh wrote:
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It seems you care since you are posting to try to keep them off killmails. I care as well. For one, because I used to at least loosely follow battleclinic rankings but they are now becoming completely fubar.


Not sure where you're getting that impression.

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And again we would put them on the killboard so the killboards are not misrepresenting the ships involved in the combat.


BC calculates "support points" which helps award those who shot at target but didn't get the FB. My team likes to call them ***** points which I frown on. But because we tend to skew our points towards anti-blob activity, well, if we see CCP put logi contribution flags on a killmail we'll track these, but I can tell you the point value of the assist will likely only be a small portion of the overall point pool.

I've both flown and been buffed by logis, as most experienced pilots have, and I accept that I'm either a sitting duck or I'm the golden retriever. It's pretty black and white what the role is, and as valuable as a logi is to the fight, you can't win a fight without guns.



Thanks for posting. I do like the battleclinic killboard point system quite a bit.

You say you would include logi if it were added. I agree you should if you could. We might not agree to how much it important it should be. But the it should be included when points are awarded. After all its more difficult for a t1 cruiser to kill another t1 cruiser than it is for a t1 cruiser who is getting reps to kill another t1 cruiser. But your point system can't account for this because ccp doesn't offer the information.

Maybe you changed the point system recently in the last year but I am not sure what you mean by support points. Everyone on the kill used to get the same number of points regardless of whether they just used a target painter or a gun.

Let me tell you where I am getting the impression that since boosts are not on killboards your point system is becoming fubar.

Under the current system if I kill a navy faction frigate in a vanilla t1 frigate I get 50 points. Now if I kill a faction frigate with my t1 frigate and a friend in a t3 shows up on the km then I would get allot fewer points. Maybe 5 points or so.

However if I have a boosted t1 vanilla frigate, it is much more powerful than a navy faction frigate. What should I get point wise? Even fights give 20 points. So it should be somewhat less than 20 points. Yet I would still get the full 50 points.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Foxstar Damaskeenus
why did i join this corp
Not Purple Shoot It.
#25 - 2014-08-12 15:17:16 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Well, that or just change boosts to be on grid finally.

They are the only thing in the game that provides a concrete mechanical advantage and does not have to risk itself on grid. Logi, ewar, refitting, all have to be on grid. Boosting should too.


This! CCP you listening?

"[this thread] is a cesspit of trolling and flaming" ISD Buldath

Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#26 - 2014-08-12 16:25:46 UTC
Foxstar Damaskeenus wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Well, that or just change boosts to be on grid finally.

They are the only thing in the game that provides a concrete mechanical advantage and does not have to risk itself on grid. Logi, ewar, refitting, all have to be on grid. Boosting should too.


This! CCP you listening?



legacy code...mixed with having boosts calculated in 3d space based on distance to a ship that is moving while whoever is boosted is moving . Now do this not killing servers in the process in larger fights. Also probably a dash of how to make it grid fu proof. Since with grid fu the link boat may still be off grid, to you anyway.


The kick out of boosters from pos to run links was just a start, ccp is working this. We all want this...lets take the peace offering on not in pos and be content till they work this out.




Rest of this is basic math. 5 peeps in local. 2 of them are you and a friend. 2 of them are ships attacking you and your friend. Assume number 5 you don't see is ogb. Better to guess wrong and maybe an neut not involved anyway, than to not guess at all and they are boosting.

Boosts you can try to guess. Obviously an armour gang didn't bring a vulture with shield links.


Elusive Panda
Void Covenant
The Initiative.
#27 - 2014-08-12 16:36:35 UTC
Neither are logis/remote ECCM/remote sensor booster/remote tracking links/remote [...]

If the killmails would become an accurate battle report, then yes, maybe, but until then, I don't see why boosts should be shown, but not other form of remote assistance.
Foxstar Damaskeenus
why did i join this corp
Not Purple Shoot It.
#28 - 2014-08-13 14:33:55 UTC
Zan Shiro wrote:
Foxstar Damaskeenus wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Well, that or just change boosts to be on grid finally.

They are the only thing in the game that provides a concrete mechanical advantage and does not have to risk itself on grid. Logi, ewar, refitting, all have to be on grid. Boosting should too.


This! CCP you listening?


Rest of this is basic math. 5 peeps in local. 2 of them are you and a friend. 2 of them are ships attacking you and your friend. Assume number 5 you don't see is ogb. Better to guess wrong and maybe an neut not involved anyway, than to not guess at all and they are boosting.

Boosts you can try to guess. Obviously an armour gang didn't bring a vulture with shield links.




I don't have any friends.

"[this thread] is a cesspit of trolling and flaming" ISD Buldath

Pidgeon Saissore
Tyrant's
#29 - 2014-08-14 06:52:46 UTC
also post kill intel. You want to know who is the blue alt of the enemy that just killed you.
Carniflex
StarHunt
Mordus Angels
#30 - 2014-08-14 06:59:19 UTC
I think that boosters and also all fleet members on grid when the kill happens should be shown, even if the said fleet members did no damage. Just add them as "0 damage" entries.

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#31 - 2014-08-14 21:42:55 UTC
Elusive Panda wrote:
Neither are logis/remote ECCM/remote sensor booster/remote tracking links/remote [...]

If the killmails would become an accurate battle report, then yes, maybe, but until then, I don't see why boosts should be shown, but not other form of remote assistance.


I don't think the fact that logi and some other ships should arguably be on the killmail is a reason to leave booster ships off the killmail.

That said there are some differences between booster alts and other ships that need to be on grid. But they are beside the point.

This comment (which keeps coming up in various forms btw) is like the child who got in trouble for something and tries to justify it by saying - some other kid did it too.

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