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Nestor as a Black Ops

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Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#1 - 2014-08-12 01:52:03 UTC
So I know there is already a HYPERION Forum for the Nestor Changes, But i chose to list this idea again because so many good ideas are being drowned out on those pages by the general flood of ideas coming in, much like diluting Cold brew with water.

Even if prices on these come down its still more effective to undock a carrier than it is to field a nestor today or even to use an Orca or other Logistics Ships. Carriers Your able to refit, tank much better, rep much better, do better DPS when not in triage, and it has jump drives. And thats not to mention it can carry ships into combat bigger than an unfitted frigate. It certain cases its also much cheaper. A nestor may be ALMOST As good as 3 guardians, but it is crippled by lower buffer and a sub par lock time, plus easier to jam and nuet since there is only 1 ship on field not 3 or more.

What the Nestor really needs is a role it can fill that makes it Worth flying, as a Black Ops if it followed the astero and stratios it could become very popular as it would be the only BLOPS with rep bonuses, perfect for dropping into cyno jammed systems where you dont have access to triage and far superior to a utility fit Sin. it would be able to put out a respectable tank and some decent DPS through drones as well making it an invaluable addition on a Black Ops Drop under those circumstances.
We all know Black Ops still need some emergency surgery and that contributes to why CCP doesn't want to throw then nestor in with them until they are fixed, but the fact of the matter no matter which way you cut it or bonus you give it theres something else that will do it better at less cost. It would SHINE as a black ops if you would just give it a chance to fill the role.
My proposal Specifically is something along the lines of this:

Amarr Battleship Skill per Level:
4% Bonus to all armor resistances

Gallente Battleships Skill per level:
10% Bonus to Drone Hitpoints, Damage, and Repair Amount.

ROLE BONUS:
+350% Velocity modifier when cloaked
50% Bonus to Core and Combat Probe Scan Strength
50% bonus to Remote Armor Repair Amount
200% Bonus to Remote Armor Repair Range

Note:
Can fit covert Cynosural Field Generators. No targeting delay after de-cloaking.

( Other Unique Notes Not under traits )
~ Same Sized fuel bay as a Black Ops
~ Maintains the Current Refit ability and Maintenance array ( allows for refit during or after drops if you burned mods etc. )

Effectively what this does is make the nestor less effective at certain things than a Black ops but still stand out as a valid ship to fly for the price, with multiple uses. For example it CANNOT fit a Covert bridge, leaving that to the actual Black Ops in your fleet since that is their role as a T2 Ship, however it does posses its own jump drives and a similar sized fuel bay / Jump Range.

It has the same repair power as before, making it great for logistics on Black ops drops as i mentioned above ESPECIALLY in wormholes where you don't have carrier support or in Null sec Cyno Jammed Systems.

It moves slower cloaked than a skilled Black Ops pilot, since again the T2 should do this better as they are specialist ships. ( 350% Bonus vs the 125% bonus per level BLOPS pilots recieve )

Adds drone repair amount as well since that fits with the logistic nature of its current bonuses. ( Someone proposed giving it EWAR and Utility drone Bonus per level as well which could be an interesting avenue to explore as no ship currently has bonuses like that )

keeps the core strength to scanner probes up so it can help jump targets in covert gangs if your scanning frigate goes down or you dont have one in system when you drop.

Drops the useless scan strength bonus since there is 0 point to doing relics in a battleship, even ghost sites ( well maybe Except W-Space so that could be kept i guess if they really wanted a Hacker BLOPS )

Does not have the inertia bonus other Black Ops do since it already is quite nimble and has very low mass.

This makes it great for Wormholes, Low Sec, Null Sec, and even high sec since you now have an effective stealth repair platform or brick tanked repair ship for shananeginns on undocks / Rapid refit if your orca is unavailable.

I really would love to hear some quality feedback on this idea as i truely believe the Nestor could make a respectable Black Ops Battleship if it could just be given the chance.

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Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2014-08-12 02:07:06 UTC
Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#3 - 2014-08-12 02:09:45 UTC
I did say at the top there was a reason for posting again

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Keith Planck
Hi-Sec Huggers
#4 - 2014-08-12 02:17:31 UTC
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4543249#post4543249

***** please i was black opsing nestor before you played eve
Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#5 - 2014-08-12 02:24:32 UTC
Yeah you did post it before I did, but i did go into a bit more detail than you did about the whole thing and the reason behind it. Plus with them actively looking into fixing it i think posts such as ours will receive some official attention if there is quality discussion and argument about the pro's and con's

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#6 - 2014-08-12 02:54:50 UTC
Clone Vat Bay.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2014-08-12 02:56:21 UTC
Christopher Mabata wrote:
I did say at the top there was a reason for posting again

I might also add that the top of this forum also has a reason why you shouldn't.
Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#8 - 2014-08-12 03:09:00 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Clone Vat Bay.


Those are reserved specifically for caps such as the rorqual and titans, giving that to the nestor means you further obsolete the rorqual which already needs a rather substantial amount of fixing up to do. Plus those are very PWG and CPU intensive and very large volume wise.

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Grunnax Aurelius
Banana-Republic.
Shadow Cartel
#9 - 2014-08-12 03:36:46 UTC
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=365573&find=unread

BAHAHAHAHAHA you can quit qq'ing about nestor not being Black Ops because its not gonna happen.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=342042&find=unread

Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#10 - 2014-08-12 07:11:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
Christopher Mabata wrote:
Yeah you did post it before I did, but i did go into a bit more detail than you did about the whole thing and the reason behind it. Plus with them actively looking into fixing it i think posts such as ours will receive some official attention if there is quality discussion and argument about the pro's and con's



hint: bringing up the blops angle that has been covered in the other threads not the way to do it

CCP has 4 blops in varying needs of love, nestor is going to be the odd man out till they can even think about having it take on some blops functionality. CCP tried this before, new pirate when current t2 was broken. All it did was have many pilots going good job ccp, now you have made the t2 even less desireable to fly.

If you want ninjya logistics your best bet would be to post a thread making one of the 3 blops that not as specialized get that role in a make blops better thread. You'd get points from me for that even....it would not be yet another give them CO cloak thread. I am excluding widow, it has the ecm specialization in place.

That and you are doing downsides wrong. They have to be real downside. The cloaked velocity bonus you have in mind to gimp is according to who you ask a joke on current blops. Its not all that. Having a ship slower than this cloaked is not a downside. Its not even a real good bonus to begin with. EFT can lie sometimes. Here it did not. I thought it had to be lying. THen I unlocked widows after the long train, hopped in one. and went wtf is this crap. Dammit, eft didn't lie...this is slow as hell.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#11 - 2014-08-12 14:41:42 UTC
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