Warfare & Tactics

So what you're saying is that you would rather the Amarr employ the same tactics we used for Dal and Arzad and either go for a month long grindfest until the hammer is dropped, instead of what resulted in a 3 week long Burn Huola ship slaughter?

We never really intended to headshot Huola and the campaign was greenlighted in less time than the 7 days before Burn Okkamon was even announced. The reason it got so high so fast is because based on posts from the Burn Huola thread, it caught you guys off guard. You can't deny that both sides were pretty inactive going into the campaign and we needed to turn on the hype machine to get our nerds to log-in and didn't really care to much about the mobilization on your side since we knew you guys were inactive and wanted a strong opponent to fight.



Oh stahp. You're making me nostalgic for the 2012 days. Thanks for bringing it. I truly mean that. I'm glad that we're still able to find ways to make spaceships explode despite still being semi-burnt out from the old days or realizing that having lives is cooler than video game addiction, whatever you want to call it.

Anyways, I really don't care if you label this as propaganda or not, because it's not. I don't play enough these days to have any vested interest in those things. Still, I do genuinely wonder if one day after a failed or successful system push we'll be able to post our side's perspective without the enemy crying either "omg the tears they're delicious!/what sore winners" or flying accusations of an attempt to rewrite history. Probably not though, I mean...mankind has been doing this for centuries well before they even had electricity for computer games. Gf

GF :)

Does anyone believe this anymore?

Not sure if you're trolling or not. Just throwing this out there, but repeating that makes you guys look silly and makes us scratch our heads. If people on the Amarr side, such as Winmatar or line members that don't really know what they're doing went with it and decided to smack about it being a headshot or vocally wishing it was a headshot that's on them, but from a leadership and behind the scenes standpoint, it was definitely not planned as such and everything leading up to it says otherwise.

Don't get me wrong, trying to label something as a headshot that clearly isn't is great propaganda since then you can label everything they did as the exact opposite of what they did, but everything I have said thus far and everything on the front page of the post Trant linked is consistent with it not being a headshot.

"I hope this will not be a Blitzkrieg - I want a Stalingrad!" - Rahelis the day of the siege

Likewise you have Templar Dane's opening post, which mentions absolutely nothing about a headshot except for looking forward to good fights, losing ships, and having fun with a goal of system control.

I get the fact that us FW nerds want to have :narratives: like the nullsec guys, but my advice to you is to the Min/Gals as winners is to focus on their own stories rather than attempt to make one up for the other side.

Hey Pinky!


+1 this even without anyone talking about a "headshot"

Also, if it wasn't a serious attempt to take Huola then why did AVNG implode?

There really is no shame in going for the win and failing so I'm not sure why you're denying something that looks pretty obvious. We in feo have loved the fights and the high stakes of potentially losing our system. By belittling your own objectives you weaken yourselves in the eyes of others. I can't talk for other alliances but the fact is that after the loss of Arzad feo were always going to fight harder and longer, pulling out all the stops and calling All The Friends. The opportunity to punish Winmatar again for awoxing their own militia was another huge factor in steeling our resolve. There is no shame in losing against a hardened and determined enemy. It makes you look good it makes us look good. If you really only wanted Rousch then you look like idiots for putting all your resources into Huola and fighting for three weeks solid 23/7. In eve terms that's a very long time to fight so intensely for something you didn't really want to capture. So quit with the nonsense about not wanting Huola anyway. It makes you look weak and stupid at best. We fought toe to toe for three weeks. You fought well and had a good plan that didn't come off against an enemy more determined not to lose. Don't take that away from yourselves.

Well, come on you are comparing apples and oranges. One was throw of the gauntlet by AVNG other was just a campaign. (~250 billion in loses from both sides vs ~61 billion in loses from both sides; ~3000 pilots vs ~1400 pilots and so on)

Unless of course main purposes of your post is to troll amarrian vengeance. ;P

AVNG imploding has nothing to do a headshot. In fact lets be clear the only reason people even brought up the whole 'failed to headshot' thing was to demoralize the attackers. Let's face it and give into the facts no one knew exactly how long the Amarr were going to stay or how long burn houla was going to last.

The minmatar were so desperate to latch onto any type of moral victory that someone was even taunting the amarr for not taking the system fast in enough.

As in 'HaHa you didnt take it in a week you failed go home now so I can spin ships in peace and mission with my alt.'

Did burn Huola fail in it's original goal? Yes

Did it fail because of the leet combined forces were to strong? No.

Did it deliver some epic content that will be remembered for a very long time to come? Yes.

In the end of the day people can say whatever they think but the only reason Huola is still Minmatar today is lack of cordination.

Oh and the whole 'if you didnt mean to headshot it why did you plex it up so hi the first few days?" argument?

It's not our fault the Minmatar had to wait for reinforcements before finally acting.

So many Amarr pilots were bored out of their brains for PvP and at a moments notice Everyone was in for taking Huola for the pew, even Almity resubbed for the event.

Bottom line:

1-Minmatar leadership cry and complain about lack of PvP but can't be bothered to jump a gate or two so someone had to 'bring it to them'

2-For someone so 'starved' for PvP the minnies sure as hell tried their hardest to claim some kind of victory all throughout the campaign to just 'make it all go away'

3-If you really want to know who was starved for pvp and who was shaking in their boots just see how many Amarr poses went up and how many 'screams for allies' went up at the same time.

4-GF everyone

yay, what a sigh of relief, now we can all go back to the important business of sitting in a station doing nothing or chasing stabbed farmers.

While I'm sure the few days you spent in Huola burning off the actual engagements in your 7kms Maulus/Keres makes you an absolute expert on the inner politics and wheelings and dealings of the Amarr, hey it might even substitute for actually being on the comms for all the amarr command meetings, call me crazy but I'm going to go with what I actually saw and heard on this one.

Also speaking of my 'corp', you do spend alot of time putting it down here again and again, do I detect some subconscious hostility ? maybe even some kind of sour grapes syndrome?

Anyway do pardon my lack of enthusiasm for EVE and FW anymore, it was a great time logging into EVE and jumping straight into a 20 or 30 vs 30 fight while it lasted.

While burnout might be a factor yes, I just hate the fact that now it's back from non stop epic fleet fight brawls in Huola to chasing the minnie and gallente alts from plex to plex or waiting for the terribad local pirates stack up on a gate next door and send an incursus into my plex. It's so meh.

As for Amarrian Vengeance....well...for now...the Angels sleep....like they always do after a huge campaign. Maybe they will be back, maybe they wont. Who knows.

As you wish