EVE General Discussion

I'm not going to pretend to know everything about Eve, not even remotely. I love the sandbox, I love the ability to do so many different things.

With that out of the way, what is the point of the high sec war dec? I look at CODE with the ganking and I get that, to me this is a big part of what Eve is about. But the high sec war dec HURTS Eve. I'd guess the VAST majority of players it affects are those that have just taken the leap to get involved socially in a corp for mining and high sec PVE stuff.

They are not about wars either as most corps in high sec are not even remotely able to combat the high sec war dec corps and the tactics they've honed around the mechanics (mechanics most of the players on the dying end don't understand).

I've got 4 characters and I've got them doing different things in Eve. But my Industrial character has only recently joined a corp after 2 years in Eve. You can look at the dozens of war decs in the alliance and corp history, in total there is only minimal losses. In no way would someone look at the losses and think it would be a profitable or worthwhile venture. I've witnessed the corp and alliance activity fall by at least 80%.

What is the point? It's not war decing to take over POCOs or because they are undercutting operations in your system. Might as well give the ability to war dec individual players in noob sytems while we are at it. Just have new players undock in tutorial missions and get smart bombed instantly. That would be fun right?

I find it hilarious that you're posting this from an NPC corp alt.

Oh, and by the way, you don't "love the sandbox", as you initially claimed. No one who loves the sandbox advocates taking away player freedom.

So go sling that bullshit somewhere else. Reported for redundant thread, since this is the fifth wardec whine this past few days.

Yeah, citation needed on that one. I would love to see your source as to how you found out that it's wardecs that run off people.

(nevermind that, even if true, it's a good thing. Anyone who quits from a wardec doesn't belong here in the first place)




Yeah, we should make dec dodging an actionable exploit.




Because the game is about shooting spaceships.

I'd like that citation on your spurious claim, first.

And you asked why you would wardec someone. I answered you. Because the game is about shooting people. That's why people wardec other people. To shoot them.

I said why war dec a corp that hasn't lost anything in war decs in the last 10 war decs? There is no shooting happening. Only people not logging in.

And I can't provide a citation. I just witness it firsthand. I have a blockade runner and most of my operations are unaffected. This isn't me hopping on after getting killed to QQ. It's about seeing a situation that is troubling and looking to my peers to discuss it.

Because your corp has a tower on a moon that I want to use. I know full well that if I wardec you, you'll just take it down and won't get to blow anything up, but then I can claim "your" moon for my own corp. You will have to use some other, less desirable moon elsewhere.

This motivation has only increased (by design) with the Crius industry changes.

If you're going to say that wars for territorial aggression shouldn't be in EVE, then I'm not even sure what you think wars might be in the game for.

Then you ought not use capslock when you say things like "seeing something that IS running players off". Because you shouldn't have any conviction in that statement, given that you just made it up.




Yeah, nope. I have long since tired of suggestions to ruin emergent gameplay and handcuff player freedom couched behind "concern".

Especially when, if anything, wars desperately need buffed.

Remember when you claimed you love the sandbox? This is the part where you just tripped up and showed us that you don't.

"for the lulz" or "because I can" is always, 100% of the time an acceptable reason to do anything in a sandbox game.

Well I didn't make it up. I witness it.

You don't read well do you? It feels like I'm answering riddles from some troll guarding a bridge that doesn't hear well. Do I need to get crayons out?

You aren't commenting about where the emergent gameplay is in decking corps that don't fight? If Orion's Mining Corp (I'd guess most corps getting dec'd are mining corps) has been dec'd 10x but hasn't lost ANY ships where is the emergent gameplay?

If Orion's Mining Corp had 50 active players after war dec 3, 25 players after war dec 7, and 1 after war dec 10 where is the good in that? There was zero content in there. They didn't have camp anymore stations or gates waiting for noobs as they had 27 other active decs going.

You asked for a reason to dec a corp that hasn't had any losses in 10 years; I supplied you with an example

Again, I'm not sure what you think wars are. Still less what they should be.

I get the feeling that they should be some kind of group scale tournament, with leagues and weight classes. Wars happen when Group A identifies that Group B is a target that can be attacked with minimal risk and possible rewards, or that Group B is a future threat best dealt with now.

In EVE, unlike in RL, Group B gets 24 hours notice in which they can safe up all their assets and completely duck out of any threat at the cost of some mild administrative inconvenience for a week. That makes EVE wars as consensual as they could possibly be and still called "wars".

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