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I got ganked...

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Claira Sombra
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#1 - 2014-08-10 21:44:26 UTC
Well, not really. I survived thanks to the Concord police and a rapid warp out. As I was leaving, the ship was destroyed. I immediately came back, however, the capsule was gone. Is there any way the capsule can be locked into place longer or buff the Procurer more so it can countergank the gankers?
Jamagh
Grand Violations
#2 - 2014-08-10 21:46:20 UTC
NPCs don't shoot pods.

"Please stop reopening silly rumor threads."  CCP Navigator.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#3 - 2014-08-10 21:46:47 UTC
Claira Sombra wrote:
Well, not really. I survived thanks to the Concord police and a rapid warp out. As I was leaving, the ship was destroyed. I immediately came back, however, the capsule was gone. Is there any way the capsule can be locked into place longer or buff the Procurer more so it can countergank the gankers?


...wow.

Anyway, if you actually bother to stay on grid instead of warping away, you can lock and scram their pod. If you haven't fit a scram or a disruptor, tough luck.

And as for the Procurer, the answer is hell no. That thing is better than some T1 cruisers already, which is disgusting considering it's in a non combat ship class.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#4 - 2014-08-10 21:51:37 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Claira Sombra wrote:
Well, not really. I survived thanks to the Concord police and a rapid warp out. As I was leaving, the ship was destroyed. I immediately came back, however, the capsule was gone. Is there any way the capsule can be locked into place longer or buff the Procurer more so it can countergank the gankers?


...wow.

Anyway, if you actually bother to stay on grid instead of warping away, you can lock and scram their pod. If you haven't fit a scram or a disruptor, tough luck.

And as for the Procurer, the answer is hell no. That thing is better than some T1 cruisers already, which is disgusting considering it's in a non combat ship class.



It's interesting you bring that up. For years I wondered about how easy it was to kill an industrial with dessies on small guns. I likened this to having a car with some friends in it, all armed with pistols and being able to blow up a garbage truck in 2 seconds. It seemed rather odd to be able to take out a large ship with a small one so fast.

(also rather odd for small ships to be able to web a larger one, or have enough power to warp scramble a larger ship)

I suppose further logic taken along the aspect of size disparity might garner more complaints in the future. I don't have a dog in that fight really and could take or leave any pro and con argument. Has this been more widely debated?

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#5 - 2014-08-10 21:59:44 UTC
If you have a good buffer tank, you can stay on grid.

You can pod the ganker if a few conditions are met. You need to have your drones out and hope he's not paying attention because he assumed you'd blow up.

It won't happen often but if you manage it you can link the killmail in local every time he's in system. There is nothing more shameful than being podded by a miner.

Mr Epeen Cool
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-08-10 21:59:45 UTC
Fit more tank, a point, and a single combat drone. Lock pod, peck to death.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#7 - 2014-08-10 22:01:42 UTC
Herzog, it's less analogous to a pistol, if you ask me.

Blasters, even little ones, are fairly serious weaponry if you look at how the pseudo science behind them works(I say pseudo because, while this technology does actually exist, much like lasers it is not easy to weaponize with Earth's current tech level). Ones aproximate to the size we use in EVE can, in real life (the United States Navy has a few real railguns that have tested extensively) obliterate a main battle tank even if it does have reactive armor.

So, good luck to the garbage truck.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jur Tissant
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-08-10 22:02:44 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


And as for the Procurer, the answer is hell no. That thing is better than some T1 cruisers already, which is disgusting considering it's in a non combat ship class.


The purpose of the Procurer is specifically to guard against attacks, for which it sacrifices yield and ore hold vs. the Retriever. It's meant to be a tough nut to crack, even impossible in high-sec.

To OP: you can always switch out some low slots with damage controls or plating but at that point I think the yield loss is way too much (because you lose the MLUs). But it takes a very concerted effort to take out a Proc in high-sec, and suicide gankers can always just go hunt down a Retriever for an easy kill.

As for the pods, it'd be very hard for a Proc to lock on before they warped away, but the result would also be very amusing.
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
#9 - 2014-08-10 22:03:33 UTC
Claira Sombra wrote:
Well, not really. I survived thanks to the Concord police and a rapid warp out. As I was leaving, the ship was destroyed. I immediately came back, however, the capsule was gone. Is there any way the capsule can be locked into place longer or buff the Procurer more so it can countergank the gankers?


Was it a lone destroyer attacking?
If it was and you've properly fitted your Procurer, your shields will hold and you may also use drones to rip the destroyer to shreds by the time CONCORD arrives.
Serene Repose
#10 - 2014-08-10 23:01:23 UTC
You really don't want to pod anybody unless you're ready for a life changing experience. You'll end up just like these people here in GD. Do you really want that? Think of all your mother tried to do for you! Think of your dog! Your cat! Anybody that CARES.

Then, pull that trigger.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Claira Sombra
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#11 - 2014-08-10 23:08:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Claira Sombra
Avaelica Kuershin wrote:
Claira Sombra wrote:
Well, not really. I survived thanks to the Concord police and a rapid warp out. As I was leaving, the ship was destroyed. I immediately came back, however, the capsule was gone. Is there any way the capsule can be locked into place longer or buff the Procurer more so it can countergank the gankers?


Was it a lone destroyer attacking?
If it was and you've properly fitted your Procurer, your shields will hold and you may also use drones to rip the destroyer to shreds by the time CONCORD arrives.

It was two destroyers. I ran since last time I was attacked, I got podded. (Didn't want to re-experience it.) I didn't even noticed they were podded until after I started to warp out.

Serene Repose wrote:
You really don't want to pod anybody unless you're ready for a life changing experience. You'll end up just like these people here in GD. Do you really want that? Think of all your mother tried to do for you! Think of your dog! Your cat! Anybody that CARES.

Then, pull that trigger.

I do have to say though there was just something about destroying one of the capsules that filled me with such warm feelings. (I chased after one of them to see if I could destroy it.)
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#12 - 2014-08-10 23:27:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Claira Sombra wrote:

I do have to say though there was just something about destroying one of the capsules that filled me with such warm feelings. (I chased after one of them to see if I could destroy it.)

there is hope for this one yet.
hold on to that thought, lust over the exhilaration that slipped by you ever so slightly.
The way any animal thinks depends on the limitations of mind and body.
If we learn our limitations too soon, we never learn our power.
you nearly had a trophy, maby you should think about actually finding one for yourselfBlink

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Claira Sombra
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#13 - 2014-08-10 23:35:18 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Decoy
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Claira Sombra wrote:

I do have to say though there was just something about destroying one of the capsules that filled me with such warm feelings. (I chased after one of them to see if I could destroy it.)

there is hope for this one yet.
hold on to that thought, lust over the exhilaration that slipped by you ever so slightly.
The way any animal thinks depends on the limitations of mind and body.
If we learn our limitations too soon, we never learn our power.
you nearly had a trophy, maby you should think about actually finding one for yourselfBlink

I did destroy the capsule. Here is my proof: *snip*

* Posting of kill mails outside of C&P is prohibited. ~ ISD Decoy
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#14 - 2014-08-10 23:48:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Given the align speed of a Procurer, I am curious as to how you chased and caught a pod, which aligns and warps instantly.

The only real way is if you were chasing someone of considerable inexperience.

Congratulations, you just "griefed" a new player, lol.

[edit: Lol what? That kill... O_o

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#15 - 2014-08-11 00:12:28 UTC
Claira Sombra wrote:

I did destroy the capsule. Here is my proof:[removed isd baitBlink]

see edit, congrats on a hilarious kill .

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
#16 - 2014-08-11 00:29:25 UTC
Claira Sombra wrote:

I did destroy the capsule. Here is my proof: [redacted]


Nice!
Am I reading the linked report wrong or did that guy throw away a battlecruiser?

I've got a noob question... when concorded is the pilot able to warp the pod away or is it that some simply choose not to?
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-08-11 00:42:07 UTC
Avaelica Kuershin wrote:
Claira Sombra wrote:

I did destroy the capsule. Here is my proof: [redacted]


Nice!
Am I reading the linked report wrong or did that guy throw away a battlecruiser?

I've got a noob question... when concorded is the pilot able to warp the pod away or is it that some simply choose not to?

Yes, you can warp off, and have ample time to.
Claira Sombra
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#18 - 2014-08-11 00:56:17 UTC
I think it was a training mission since the other guy's character was just made today. I got to be the lucky "victim".
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#19 - 2014-08-11 01:26:18 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
It's interesting you bring that up. For years I wondered about how easy it was to kill an industrial with dessies on small guns. I likened this to having a car with some friends in it, all armed with pistols and being able to blow up a garbage truck in 2 seconds. It seemed rather odd to be able to take out a large ship with a small one so fast.

(also rather odd for small ships to be able to web a larger one, or have enough power to warp scramble a larger ship)

I suppose further logic taken along the aspect of size disparity might garner more complaints in the future. I don't have a dog in that fight really and could take or leave any pro and con argument. Has this been more widely debated?


someone made the decision that bigger is better makes for poor game play. I tend to agree with that decision.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#20 - 2014-08-11 01:41:15 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Claira Sombra wrote:
Is there any way the capsule can be locked into place longer or buff the Procurer more so it can countergank the gankers?

Yes on both... it is called "fitting your ship properly."

[Procurer, LOL-tastic!!]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Damage Control II

Medium Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II

Strip Miner II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5


- It is impossible to be solo ganked in high-sec in this thing... at least, not without being VERY unprofitable and/or troublesome for the gankers.
- It can kill close range frigates and destroyers in low-sec.
- you have the targeting speed of a combat destroyer. This means you can target lock things fairly quickly.


Also... take some PvP lessons OP. Even if you do not like it, it will help you understand how PvPers operate and what you need to do to protect yourself (proactively) and how to fit any future ships of yours properly.

How did you Veterans start?
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