Science & Industry

Simple solution, just move to null and mine there. Problem solved. Chances our its even more organized in null with full mining boosts, and miners can make even more money.

Dins, you need to set up a small POS and compress. I am a nullsec manufacturer who doesn't have enough resources for a big mining fleet so I buy materials in highsec and ship them in. Compressed ores are so damned expensive that I started buying non compressed ores and compressing them myself. I'm saving tons and tons of money with just a day or so of ice mining to keep the tiny POS running. Not only that but I am making bank buying uncompressed ore and compressing and reselling compressed ore right there in Jita. In fact my dilemma now is that my highsec toon that is doing the ore hauling and compressing is also my Rorqual pilot and booster in null, and I think the guy is actually more profitable in highsec. I might actually have to reactivate an old account to keep highsec compression and nullsec boosting going.

dins, STFU and adapt or quit the damned game. Really I think you should just quit because you have been so obviously unhappy for so long. That and I am tired of hearing from you.

Yes.

The current situation is an incredible boon for high sec manufacturers. I almost regret moving to null. If miners would simply buy a blueprint and convert their minerals to manufactured product they would see massive profits because mineral prices are so low but from the stock of items that I monitor prices of manufactured products have not fallen. Rather than whine about falling mineral prices they should just make something with their minerals and sell that.

This patch has resulted in such a good situation for high sec it isn't even funny.

If anything, the lack of compressed ore on the market is making large scale supercap SRP iffy at the moment. Even if you have the whole production line set up to crank out oversized ego buffs with doomsdays and things, it won't crap out a single Titan if there is no minerals and only way to haul mass quantities at the moment without ridiculous reprocessing losses is compressed ore.

I'm happy to see that the volume is slowly creeping up.

http://www.eve-markets.net/detail?typeid=28432&limit=14#history

In the meanwhile, Tritanium keeps sliding... Supercap builders exited the buy side :)

http://www.eve-markets.net/detail?typeid=34&limit=30#history

Edit: also this is a hilarious graph:

http://www.eve-markets.net/detail?typeid=28432&limit=14#supply

Demand is just running away... :)

"Boon for high-sec miners" at least for those with the ability to read.

The situation regarding the availability of compressed ore in Jita has kind of suprised me. I was expecting that most people got the core of the industry update regarding importing minerals to 0.0 for industry:

In the old pre - crius environment the ore would be refined to minerals without loss which were then put on the market and bought by a builder to be "compressed" by making modules, which were then imported into 0.0. These modules would be refined back into materials.

In the new environment ore can be directly compressed without costs and put on the market to be refined directly when it is needed for building stuff. Since only Anchoring LVL 4 is needed to put up a POS in highsec I do not see any difficulties to online a POS for compression in a mining system and hauling it to jita using a freighter service.

Apparently compressed ore is now the market and minerals not anymore.

Yes, you are bad at EVE. I'll try to assist;

There is nothing to protect. High sec POS cannot be shot at without a war dec.

You only need a small tower and a compression array. Nothing else.

You put these down, anchored - tower first and once anchored, then the array, with some fuel blocks inside & few charters. OFFLINE. Zero fuel cost (why pay fuel? The tower and array are CONCORD-protected unless you are wardecced).

Once you have a pile of ore to compress (many freighterloads), you power on the tower for an hour (insignificant fuel cost), fly ore back and forth with a freighter and compress it, then power down the tower and take the more valuable compressed ore (in one or more loads, depending on your fear of ganks) to Jita and sell it for good ISK.

If you are wardecced, you have 24 hours to unanchor the compression array and the tower, removing any risk whatsoever to your equipment. Ore / compressed ore is never in the POS for more than a few seconds so they are never in any risk.

The only theoretical issue is finding an empty moon near your base of operations (preferably same system). If you are very close to Jita, moons may be taken. But look around, there are free spots. It is perfectly safe to scout in high sec, no POS can shoot you unless you are at war with someone.

Alternatively you can look around high sec for ore buyers that buy the ore at a higher price than what you'd get for your minerals. Move your mining operations there and mine for the guy who clearly has a compression array available.

Simple as that.

Also your claim that the Ore load has gone down in value is false. Raw ore price has gone up quite a bit since Crius launch. Only the mineral price has gone down because minerals in Jita have no value to supercapital builders any more, so mineral prices have gone down due to oversupply. DO NOT REFINE. You do not have the facilities or the skills/implants for it. Leave that for the producers who will ultimately use the minerals.

Compressed Veldspar in Jita is around 2100-2200 (or 21-22ISK per Veldspar unit)
Compressed Scordite in Jita is ~3100 or 31 ISK per Scordite unit
Plagioclase is 6400+ (64 ISK PU of raw ore)

Of course ore compressors will happily buy up low price ore if someone is silly enough to sell it at such a low price. If you look at Eve-Market graphs, the buy and sell order prices are getting further away from each other. That means sell orders are getting sold and buy orders are often ignored as too low-ball. Someone is vacuuming up the stuff in a hurry to keep their supercap builds going and there is no coordinated buy ordering going on (yet?)

Not sure how things are elsewhere, but looking at The Citadel market, the Veldspar sell price (raw ore) seems to be around 18 ISK and buy orders are around that price point as well. Scordite buy and sell orders are around 27 ISK. If your local market is not like this and buy orders are lowballs, someone is trying to rip you off :)

Even at these prices, there is a healthy margin for someone with a POS and some interest in hauling as Jita price for compressed stuff is ~10-15% higher and the volume you can shift this stuff is seriously huge.

Eve Market graph says that in 14 days, the sell order price has gone from 17.2 ISK to 19 ISK and if you look at this supply/demand graph:

http://www.eve-markets.net/detail?typeid=1230&limit=14

...I'd say there is demand.

Rubbish, In my 2 1/2 years here Scordite has never been worth 10m a load in a Mack.

Nope. At first was pretty pissed that my mission running contribution to the industry alt was nerfed hard, found a way around it, and fired up an old alt to help.