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Barakkus
#21 - 2014-08-09 21:36:23 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Barakkus wrote:
[quote=Paranoid Loyd]Ah but I have acquired more than just isk in my time here, unfortunately you wouldn't know because I've never heard of you. Plenty of the old timers left know me, but you, alas, don't... ;)


I'm sure you have acquired more than isk, we all do, except maybe carebears. You just mentioned it like it was something of significance and its really not. Maybe you should mention what else you acquired and the thread will be more meaningful then the same, same old. Blink



I made a lot of friends and had some ******* EPIC battles, absolutely ******* EPIC fights. Unfortunately those are all gone too :(

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc

Paranoid Loyd
#22 - 2014-08-09 21:40:00 UTC
Barakkus wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Barakkus wrote:
Ah but I have acquired more than just isk in my time here, unfortunately you wouldn't know because I've never heard of you. Plenty of the old timers left know me, but you, alas, don't... ;)


I'm sure you have acquired more than isk, we all do, except maybe carebears. You just mentioned it like it was something of significance and its really not. Maybe you should mention what else you acquired and the thread will be more meaningful then the same, same old. Blink



I made a lot of friends and had some ******* EPIC battles, absolutely ******* EPIC fights. Unfortunately those are all gone too :(


Friends all gone, nothing you can do about that besides make new ones.

What specifically has changed in low sec that makes it not fun anymore?

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Oxylan
QRDELESH - Mutual Admiration Society
#23 - 2014-08-09 21:40:54 UTC
Playing from 2007, actualy got 600mil isk on wallet, long time ago my max was 25bil. i stay here, losing money isynt reason to leave game. Long time ago i change view on this game and my play style, every one may be happy even without money in game.

The most worse thing that people do in game is , that they focus only on ISk, focusing only on earning and endless ISK farming-grindg is bad and make people unhapy - or like zoombe. Playing only or focusing just because ISK is bad.

If it bleed we can kill it.

Pheusia
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#24 - 2014-08-09 22:01:33 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
8 years and all you acquired was 50 bil? Cya o/


He must have been playing EVE like it was some kind of game
Paranoid Loyd
#25 - 2014-08-09 22:04:26 UTC
Pheusia wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
8 years and all you acquired was 50 bil? Cya o/


He must have been playing EVE like it was some kind of game


Me too! But I have acquired much more than that in my short time. That is irrelevant, I am abrasive to people as their replies tell me a lot more about them than if I am nice. Blink

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Barakkus
#26 - 2014-08-09 22:13:09 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Barakkus wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Barakkus wrote:
Ah but I have acquired more than just isk in my time here, unfortunately you wouldn't know because I've never heard of you. Plenty of the old timers left know me, but you, alas, don't... ;)


I'm sure you have acquired more than isk, we all do, except maybe carebears. You just mentioned it like it was something of significance and its really not. Maybe you should mention what else you acquired and the thread will be more meaningful then the same, same old. Blink



I made a lot of friends and had some ******* EPIC battles, absolutely ******* EPIC fights. Unfortunately those are all gone too :(


Friends all gone, nothing you can do about that besides make new ones.

What specifically has changed in low sec that makes it not fun anymore?


Look at my killboards, there have been no real fights to be had for over a year.

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc

Erin Crawford
#27 - 2014-08-09 22:14:38 UTC
Barakkus wrote:
Happy trails to you, 8 years and 50+ bil removed from the economy. No you can't have my stuff :)

Why not just send a bill or so to some absolutely random people? It just may make their day... may even let them take some greater risks... you may even set off a chain of events; "In chaos theory, the butterfly effect..."
Blink

"Those who talk don’t know. Those who know don’t talk. "

Paranoid Loyd
#28 - 2014-08-09 22:16:40 UTC
Barakkus wrote:
Look at my killboards, there have been no real fights to be had for over a year.


I can see that, but the questions was: What changed that caused this to happen?

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Barakkus
#29 - 2014-08-09 23:22:41 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Barakkus wrote:
Look at my killboards, there have been no real fights to be had for over a year.


I can see that, but the questions was: What changed that caused this to happen?


The incursion nerf was enough that it made people too risk adverse to really go out and fight unless they had absolutely overwhelming numbers or 100% chance of victory...which is just stupid because it doesn't cost all that much to get a BC or a cruiser and get a gang and fly....but people are people and they cling to their isk waaaaay to much....at least when there was a good source of income, the highsec folks grew some balls and started roaming lowsec, because they could make up their losses in a week.

Hell, even most WH people are like that, did a C5, then a C6 for a while...half the time either they would POS up or my failures of corps/alliances would POS up...

I don't know, it is what it is, maybe they'll figure out how to get things going again for everyone. FW changes were a good start, but that is fairly limited in the big picture, not everyone wants to do FW. More accessibility to funds helps a lot. I have my losses, I didn't care so much, even after the incursion nerfs I still would take out 2+ bil t3s and lose them, but some people just can't deal with it unless they have a pretty regular and easy way to recoup.

The biggest problem is making the game require more and more of people's time. It alienates the casual, which is where you're going to make your money. The past few years of "expansions" has just alienated the casual more and more, it's unfortunate but it is what it is. Like me, a lot of the casuals are usually good for at least 2 accounts once they've been playing a while, which is another big hit to revenue once they start leaving.

By no means is EVE dying, but I don't forsee it being like it used to be again unless things take a different course. The industry changes were about it for me to want to continue...big slap in the face, pretty much invalidated the last 8 years of everything I had done that wasn't pvp focused. I was willing to hang around for a while and just do my thing pissing around with PI and industry with my alt for a bit, but it's really just not worth it to me at this point.

Sucks too, I just finished training up for all the dreads lol. I had taken a bit of a break because of work and didn't log in much, ended up getting the boot from my C6 corp for inactivity. They ended up joining Disavowed, of which I found out while still part of the corp aren't really all that, and honestly nothing for any of the WH dwellers to be afraid of...I'm not sure but I think they failcascaded eventually anyways...

It's been fun, but just not my cup of tea anymore. I need something less involved honestly, life and all that...EVE just isn't it...

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc

Bel Tika
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2014-08-09 23:25:13 UTC
have fun in whatever you decide to do m8 an hope to someday see you back ;)
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#31 - 2014-08-09 23:28:42 UTC
You've gotten your cause and effect wrong.

Incursions are actually at fault for the current situation, thanks to them causing such rampant inflation. That's why ships cost ten times as much as a few years ago.

But static direct income injections, that being isk from missions and bounties, was never adjusted to compensate (and rightly so, otherwise we'd all be screwed by now). But that has the effect of hitting the new player the hardest, as their income streams are rather more limited.

So, you can blame inflation for the current woes of ship replacement cost.

It has to deflate before this will be addressed.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Marc Durant
#32 - 2014-08-09 23:31:02 UTC
Barakkus wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
May I ask why you are leaving? Good luck to you, wherever you are headed.

Is your name a Mr. T reference?


Yeah Mr. T reference.

I'm not going into detail, rather not just be another bitter vet rant, but EVE has been going in the wrong direction for a few years now, and CCP keeps shooting itself in the foot. It appears there may be some games coming that will have more of an interest to me. The casual play style is getting nerfed more and more every year, and honestly, I have no desire to devote as much time to EVE as it really requires at this point. I had fun when there was fun to be had, lots actually, just look at my kill boards, not too bad for a solo player...I admit I do suck at this game, but don't we all?

This has been a couple years coming. I kept my subscription going hoping lowsec would turn around and there would be good fights again to be had, but my circle of pvp buddies have slowly filtered away and quit, I'm one of the last left. CCP did some GREAT things to boost pvp over the years only to nerf them later. It's a shame because this is/was a really good game.

But as everything in life we move on to other things eventually :) Hopefully CCP keeps it going and makes good choices in the future. Maybe I'll be back, but more than likely not.



Been there, done that. Made a similar rant back in 2009, quit a few times. Came back anyway.

Have fun on your EVE-break, you'll be back :)

Yes, yes I am. Thanks for noticing.

Paranoid Loyd
#33 - 2014-08-09 23:33:06 UTC
Fair enough.

I think the changes to industry are just something that were so large it takes a lot to understand the whole picture. When only looking at it from a personal POV based on the way you were doing things, it is easy to feel like you got screwed. When you step back and look at it with fresh eyes and acknowledge the game changed, it seems it opened more opportunity. But I haven't informed myself enough to form a cohesive argument, these are just impressions so maybe I am wrong.

Hope to see you back someday.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#34 - 2014-08-09 23:33:55 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
You've gotten your cause and effect wrong.

Incursions are actually at fault for the current situation, thanks to them causing such rampant inflation. That's why ships cost ten times as much as a few years ago.

But static direct income injections, that being isk from missions and bounties, was never adjusted to compensate (and rightly so, otherwise we'd all be screwed by now). But that has the effect of hitting the new player the hardest, as their income streams are rather more limited.

So, you can blame inflation for the current woes of ship replacement cost.

It has to deflate before this will be addressed.

Other than CCP directly saying that Incursions don't contribute much to the overall isk faucets, being less than 10% of total faucets. and that we don't have inflation atm, actually deflation.
Null sec ratting actually accounts for about 50% of all isk entering the game if you want the largest culprit, WH NPC buy orders the second biggest around 20%.

Ship costs have mainly increased due to increased mineral requirements and Miners no longer accepting 5 Mil/hr for their time.
Barakkus
#35 - 2014-08-09 23:37:54 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
You've gotten your cause and effect wrong.

Incursions are actually at fault for the current situation, thanks to them causing such rampant inflation. That's why ships cost ten times as much as a few years ago.

But static direct income injections, that being isk from missions and bounties, was never adjusted to compensate (and rightly so, otherwise we'd all be screwed by now). But that has the effect of hitting the new player the hardest, as their income streams are rather more limited.

So, you can blame inflation for the current woes of ship replacement cost.

It has to deflate before this will be addressed.


It won't it's a persistent problem that once the market gets to the point it did, there's no turning back. Look at plex prices. You are right to some degree but the availability to acquire isk after 6 months worth of training in relation to the effort to replace ships was enough at that period to get some really good pvp, and constant.

This was one of the last epic fights to be had for me and my motley crew:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13069607
It was a 3 way on the gate into Obalyu, absolutely epic...about 45 minutes of people killing and reshipping and my little band of 6 or 7 ended up winning the field, was one of the best memories I have of that brief little period that there were good fights. Had others but that one was always my favorite.

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc

Bel Tika
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2014-08-09 23:42:53 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
You've gotten your cause and effect wrong.

Incursions are actually at fault for the current situation, thanks to them causing such rampant inflation. That's why ships cost ten times as much as a few years ago.

But static direct income injections, that being isk from missions and bounties, was never adjusted to compensate (and rightly so, otherwise we'd all be screwed by now). But that has the effect of hitting the new player the hardest, as their income streams are rather more limited.

So, you can blame inflation for the current woes of ship replacement cost.

It has to deflate before this will be addressed.

Other than CCP directly saying that Incursions don't contribute much to the overall isk faucets, being less than 10% of total faucets. and that we don't have inflation atm, actually deflation.
Null sec ratting actually accounts for about 50% of all isk entering the game if you want the largest culprit, WH NPC buy orders the second biggest around 20%.

Ship costs have mainly increased due to increased mineral requirements and Miners no longer accepting 5 Mil/hr for their time.


Miners took 5mill per hour?

jesus man slave labour lol
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#37 - 2014-08-09 23:52:43 UTC
Barakkus wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
8 years and all you acquired was 50 bil? Cya o/


Ah but I have acquired more than just isk in my time here, unfortunately you wouldn't know because I've never heard of you. Plenty of the old timers left know me, but you, alas, don't... ;)

Gonna miss all you Crime and Punishment trolls, most of which have parted ways with EVE...was fun while it lasted though.

Shout out to my buds in Rancer o7 You guys were always fun...and all the rest of you from Goons to Blackwater, BoB, Shadow Cartel, Basgerin Pirates, Red Clam DOT, Suddenly Spaceships, BricK sQuAD., Space P0lice, AAA, Black Rebel Rifter Club, HYDRA RELOADED, and all the others that brought the good fights over the years :)



I remember you. And your post I'm quoting is like a mini "walk down memory lane". I was looking at Zedriks bio and the links to his exploits and wondering if such days were behind us, and I remember your posts in C&P were always good stuff.

One more name of olde gone, so many not seen any more - maybe the days are truly behind us.


Oh well...

Good luck! o7

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Arec Bardwin
#38 - 2014-08-10 00:04:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Arec Bardwin
Nevyn Auscent wrote:

Ship costs have mainly increased due to increased mineral requirements and Miners no longer accepting 5 Mil/hr for their time.
Drone goo nerf and NPC loot nerf increased minerals prices, increased mineral requirements for ships and insurance nerf all attributed to increased ship replacement costs.

Barakkus: Sad to see another old school player go. I have seen many friends just stop logging in over the years as well. You'll probably be back, as there is no game compareble to EVE Online at the moment. Luckily for CCP I might add.
Rykuss
In Praise of Bacchus
#39 - 2014-08-10 01:42:04 UTC
o7

You, too, can be a Solid Gold dancer.

Solecist Project
#40 - 2014-08-10 01:44:29 UTC
Wow, you were still here?


I remember you from years ago!



Now you're gone.



Sad.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia