EVE General Discussion

I read a thread this morning about "Why are the newbies leaving?" and I thought I should share my perspective.

I imagine that people who have been playing for along time are acclimated and probably not interested in seeing the game change to accomodate new players. I probably would not either. I'm in my 50's, and I'm not really interested in seeing much of my world changed for what younger people consider to be "better."

Oh well. I shared my experiences so far. There you go. I will play until this month's allottment runs out, then I'll decide whether or not to keep playing.

http://podborn.com/the-sandbox-and-you-the-new-player-experience

It's your adventure. Live it.

EVEs community is easily the best you could find in an MMO.

I am starting to get a sense that this is a universe where the most experienced players can pretty much act with impunity and everyone else is basically at their mercy.

Join a corp? I have a job. I play only when I have spare time. I am not going to show up to events or make this an important part of my life. Eve seems to not be good for casual gamers.

Insurance is broken. I could only insure my venture for 350K, but with all of the goodies on it, it cost me a fortune to fit with good modules.

The most important thing I could share is that the community is unfriendly, probably because of the nature of the game, and seems to bring out the worst in people.

I've been playing Eve for less than a month. I have never played an MMO before. I thought I would share some of my impressions with the community and what I am experiencing. I don't read much about Eve, so I have no idea what current or past issues are or much else about the game. I like spaceships, and I really loved Homeworld.

I like the complexity of the game - having to learn how to scan, how to plot routes through the galaxy, learning skills to make things work better, the marketplace for ores and such. The idea that I can just go anywhere I want and do whatever I want is very appealing and enjoyable - at first.

The stations and star systems all start to look the same to me after a while. Eve is a dim galaxy - the stars don't seem to provide much light. Going from one place to another starts losing excitement after a while, because there are few to no interesting variations in the star systems. For fun I did a loop of 20 jumps the other day through 0.0 zones in my venture. I survived by not using auto-pilot and going on one direction and never down to a culdesac where I'd have to turn around. After a while, I realized that there's just not a lot of creativity put into making the star systems unique from one another visually. The same planets, the same stations, etc over and over again everywhere. At first it seems varied, but after a while - boring.

I am starting to get a sense that this is a universe where the most experienced players can pretty much act with impunity and everyone else is basically at their mercy. Like the real world, money drives power, but is offset slightly with a tenure requirement that the skill system builds in.

The initial missions were OK, but once I was done with Aura and the career agents at Pasha, I was kind of lost after that. What do I do now? PVP? Hell no. I realize that the people who have pod killed me so far have played for years, and have just about every skill at level V, plus they have a gang of other kids they hang out with to back them up. So that's out.

Join a corp? I have a job. I play only when I have spare time. I am not going to show up to events or make this an important part of my life. Eve seems to not be good for casual gamers.

So my choices are to mine and run missions. Mining is pretty borked up, it seems to me. The ore values are all very similar, and looking at the markets, the prices are constantly dropping, and the more rare ores are only slightly more valuable most of the time. Mining veldspar with little travel is most lucrative in terms of ISK/hr.

I do not understand why NPC pirates do not show in the directional scanner.

I do not understand why agents giving the next missions are scattered about the galaxy instead of just popping up in your home station. I don't understand why the last agent didn't point me to the next one instead of me having to search for them. After I finished the career missions, I didn't even know there were more agents.

The agent missions are all security missions in my constellation. I'm a noob, so I am not leaving my little area of ten or so hi-sec star systems any time soon because I am afraid to be killed and have to do all of that boring mining again to buy a new ship.

Insurance is broken. I could only insure my venture for 350K, but with all of the goodies on it, it cost me a fortune to fit with good modules.

The most important thing I could share is that the community is unfriendly, probably because of the nature of the game, and seems to bring out the worst in people. The rule is very old west - shoot first, talk after. It's left me with the impression that the community are not nice people, and that everyone is basically laughing as they shoot up noobs while the noobs come and then quit because studying for a month to just die a lot and mining sucks.

I tried injecting some helpfulness into the game myself by flying my ship around and guarding noobs mining from NPC pirates in some of the systems I frequent. I could not hope to guard them from hostile players. I notice no one ever does that.

So, PVP seems like something I never want to do, mining is boring, and I have not yet decided whether or not to buy another month. Possibly not.

When the remaster of homeworld comes out, I think I am out of here, because while the game is pretty, it only has two modes: repetitive and boring or exciting and over in ten seconds with someone PMing me that I am a noob ******* in Russian.

Those are my thoughts. Flame on.

It really sounds like EvE isn't the right choice for you for a first MMO .You should probably look into a couple others and play them for a bit until you learn how MMOs in general work, and more importantly how to properly do your own research into what you need.

95% of how we treat you in EvE is based on how you present youself. If your response to a gank is "whaa, y 4 did u shootz me?!?!?1" or anything resembling that, of course you were trolled. If your response is closer to, "whoa, how did you do that?" then you're likely going to have someone talk your ear off.

To present a fair counterpoint Jonah, due to EVE being your first MMO you didn't have any hardcoded misconceptions when you came in. Not being previously corrupted by the drek that's saturated the market out there may very well have helped you adapt better than many of the refugees from other games. I came here from Earth & Beyond and was immediately confused by the fact that there were no longer fish in space everywhere.

Now, when I play other games and I hear people cry the word 'grief!', I just sort of chortle evilly and try not to share too much of my real opinion on the matter lest I bruise their tender feelings.

You are not alone. Most, if not all new players get the new kid vibe from the vets who think they're entitled to the game and acclimate or leave is the normal response.

The truth is, any game that allows others to bully as part of the game mechanics is going to spawn a seedy bunch of misfits. The forum is the breading ground for negative people, and will bash anyone who tries to add value.

You will find a few helpful people to give you pointers on how to survive the game as is, but just give up on expectations that anything you say will make a difference to the game or how it works. This is the worst game I've ever played for the crowd because the publishers want it that way (that's their selling angle), yet it's also the best Space Simulator out - at the moment.