Wormholes

WH crossings should not be the same as gate jumps.

Some WH types should give smoother rides than others possibly with some interaction between ship masses (current ship and maybe immediately prior ships) and WH mass limits.

In any case I think cloaking devices and possibly other systems should probably be disrupted by the gravity distortions of WH transition.
How long disrupted could depend on how smooth the WH transition was.

Plus you should consider disrupting cloaks "permanently" within a certain type dependent radius of a wh due to ongoing gravity waves. WIth a radius bonus for additional waves from EOL and mass instability.


Why? #1 Because it makes sense (cloaks are delicate technology requiring active modules off etc)

BUT more importantly it encourages PVP encounters.
Solo covert wanders cannot just evade unfavorable engagements if there is someone even partially alert close by.

(Sure a really alert person sometimes gets a lock under current rules if they fill mid-slots with sensor boosters. But its chancy, really messes with shield tanks and it helps a lot to be close to CCP servers versus across an ocean with lag surging connections.)

WH settlers are far more likely to try to gate camp their side of a WH connection if they can clearly see what is transitioning.
Of course that may well lead to overconfidence if you are bring overwhelming fleet force.

Enlarges the possibilities for roaming gankers. Disrupt cloaks and now WH connection is more worthwhile camping after plinking at someone's POS or POCOs during peak hours. Make it so WH spawns tend to form short paths between null and high sec trade hubs -- and now it might be really worth camping certain WH connections (though killing the cloaked vanguard maybe forego the more profitable if bulk loot in the main convoy but we were after killboard and T3 tears anyways).

What is that? Twitter/text message gone awry? Too many faces, didn't read.

cool someone with standards

standards that are irrelevant

But standards none the less

The pod issue is a non issue. don't fly it if you can't afford to lose it. EVE is meant to have significant consequences. It is not connected to the value of your ship in any way. Wormholes don't have jump clones *maybe someday but likely never* and you just have to deal with operating in a frontier like area.

If some pilot pops your pod...so what? That isn't CCP's problem unless there's an exploit being used and there is a game breaking bug that happens at the time. So assuming the game mechanics are used properly and work properly you have no right to call for such a benefit...just because you chose to fly a frigate.

If you want to swap out your pod you go to empire space and jump clone. There is already a mechanic that solves your issue and a skill that reduces the time between jump clones to 19 hours at level 5.

I wasn't referring to solo specifically - many people solo in battleships though. As with any solo ship they have their limitations and can be easily countered by other ship classes/types/blobs.

What I mean is that IMO EVE would be more fun if the game mechanics encouraged better quality fights rather than (or more accurately "in addition to") blobs and ganks. WHs could be a great way to do this since they limit what you can bring to the fight, have interesting WH effects, etc. but this change simply will mean more frig/inty gank fleets (and if you want good frig fights you can already just go to faction warfare systems anyway).

CCP should do more to encourage fleets (and small gangs) with at least some battleships and battlecruisers in their comp that are reasonable for wormhole residents to form up for and engage. There should be WH incentives and limitations that (at least in some parts of WH space) act to encourage these fights. The frig wormholes proposed by this change are a step in the wrong direction, and just do more to discourage good fights in favor of ganks.

I categorically refuse to use twit(ter). In general my comments run far more than 140 characters.

But perhaps you could seek to use standard forms of punctuation to delineate your thoughts. Things like paragraphs, line breaks and if you're feeling really frisky bullets.

1) you must suck at living in wormholes if you can't afford some decent implants once in a while.
2) people wear snakes when flying frigates all the time...and crystal sets.
3) your lack of comprehension doesn't mean that it isn't sensible...it just means you lack the capacity to reason out an argument
4) You are projecting your own 'needs' onto the rest of the EVE populace. This is wrong.
5) wormhole space is unknown frontier space...you cannot haz all the services you get everywhere else. Deal with it.
6) If you cannot maintain hole control...too bad. If you get sieged...again too bad. The attackers had to put in considerable effort to siege you out...especially if you're in a WH under class 5 where they can't bring in their own cap support. In C5+ space it still takes a good amount of time to get caps in to siege. Only 3 at a time per hole can get in. Most bears close any hole that isn't the static.
7) You will probably at some point be able to dock ships and have a captains quarters in a POS...but not until after the roles revamp. Then comes addressing POS's. If I catch you with a billion+ ISK clone then good for me and it sucks to be you...but its internet space pixels...you have no 'right' to them.

Play how you want but do not even try to force your perspective on the rest of us. If you don't want to fly with expensive clones then don't.

Coming from the indy side, we just upped the risk in ways that are very difficult to mitigate. Large entities will be able to jump a fleet through these holes and gank whomever is trying to mine, do PI, or running logistics with very little risk. With more risk and no offsetting reward you are chasing smaller entities from the WH base.

From a PVP perspective I can see this as fun, until the smaller entities all fold up and move out. Then with space devoid of targets it will once again be boring. How many times do we jump through 30-50 Null sec systems only to find POS spinning or empty systems. Without content improvements you can invent all the mechanics you want and the game will still not result in more gank/PVP opportunities.

Rumbled through the jump numbers a bit more and have come up with some conclusions and some modifications.

1) these wormholes do not need to regen at a fast rate.
2) these do need flow control
3) these should have low mass

Cap he mass amount.

My estimate, would be 75 jumps. 100 is too high, 50 jumps is too small. 75 is fair.

Now instead of capping these wormholes with a jump amount, you cap it with the mass. The total mass of these wormholes should be between 140,000,000 to 160,000,000. That permits roughly 75 to 100 frigate jumps through before it dies.

If CCP is hellbent on this wormhole regeneration, set it at 40 million mass every 2 hours (or 20 million every hour).

Set it that even if you mass the hole, it won't collapse. You just wouldn't be able to jump through it.

So you can potentially mass it, it won't collapse, and it gives you a timer.

Increase the polarization from 4 to 6 minutes to also deal with people trying to purposefully mass it (you can, just takes longer).

Just my thoughts at this time using limited information that is provided.

Controversial concepts for a controversial thread.

its obvious changes are made to make wormhole life harder ..and i think this expansion is one big nerf to wormhole community