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Proteus : Drone Synthesis Projector
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Triakis Cadelanne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-07-31 11:05:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Triakis Cadelanne
Hello,

We know that the Proteus, with is 100 mbit/s bandwidth, can't deploy a full set of heavy drone like any drone boat. I was wondering why, and so I've read some stuff on the forum, saying that it would create an Ishtar with 5x more EHP. Ok, it sounds kinda OP.

So, what's the use of the drone synthesis projector ? His gun bonus is useless since you can fit only 3 guns if you want a correct drone bay, but the max 100 mbit/s makes your applied DPS weaker than a gun Proteus.
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2014-07-31 12:11:25 UTC
Triakis Cadelanne wrote:
Hello,

We know that the Proteus, with is 100 mbit/s bandwidth, can't deploy a full set of heavy drone like any drone boat. I was wondering why, and so I've read some stuff on the forum, saying that it would create an Ishtar with 5x more EHP. Ok, it sounds kinda OP.

So, what's the use of the drone synthesis projector ? His gun bonus is useless since you can fit only 3 guns if you want a correct drone bay, but the max 100 mbit/s makes your applied DPS weaker than a gun Proteus.


You can use it for WH ratting, as you can put a salvager, tractor, and probe launcher in the 3 other high slots so you can salvage and loot while killing the rats to increase efficiency, as well as keep probes out to keep an eye on the hole. The PG you save from only running 3 guns lets you fit a 100mn AB for even more gank avoidance as well.
Triakis Cadelanne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-07-31 12:55:07 UTC
Xequecal wrote:


You can use it for WH ratting, as you can put a salvager, tractor, and probe launcher in the 3 other high slots so you can salvage and loot while killing the rats to increase efficiency, as well as keep probes out to keep an eye on the hole. The PG you save from only running 3 guns lets you fit a 100mn AB for even more gank avoidance as well.


You know what ? I'm going test this right now :D thanks for the tip !
Jonas Staal
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2014-07-31 13:03:25 UTC
I used 2 Sentry Proteus for serpentis null-sec sites.

Bubble-imune "Ishtar".
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2014-07-31 14:10:00 UTC
Triakis Cadelanne wrote:
Xequecal wrote:


You can use it for WH ratting, as you can put a salvager, tractor, and probe launcher in the 3 other high slots so you can salvage and loot while killing the rats to increase efficiency, as well as keep probes out to keep an eye on the hole. The PG you save from only running 3 guns lets you fit a 100mn AB for even more gank avoidance as well.


You know what ? I'm going test this right now :D thanks for the tip !


If you don't have Salvaging V, make sure to fit a salvage tackle rig or you won't be able to salvage battleships.
Triakis Cadelanne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-07-31 14:41:20 UTC
Yep I knew that. I've already done some C3 with a passive shield Dominix.
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2014-08-02 23:48:44 UTC
Triakis Cadelanne wrote:
a full set of heavy drone like any drone boat. .


BRB, going to buy an Ishkur and fit it with 5 heavies.
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#8 - 2014-08-03 12:44:30 UTC
Thanks to this thread, I took another look at Proteus-subsystems before deciding between Caldari Cruiser V and Gallente Cruiser V.

Did you know there is a subsystem giving a bonus on warp disruptor/-scrambler range? I guess I found my next skill goal! Pirate
Triakis Cadelanne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-08-03 16:33:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Triakis Cadelanne
Owen Levanth wrote:
Thanks to this thread, I took another look at Proteus-subsystems before deciding between Caldari Cruiser V and Gallente Cruiser V.

Did you know there is a subsystem giving a bonus on warp disruptor/-scrambler range? I guess I found my next skill goal! Pirate


Yep, that's why the Proteus is such a good ship in PvP, combined with his herculean EHP pool and tremendous mid range damage with railguns.
Thoregon Aubaris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-08-03 22:19:27 UTC
@Xequecal: WH ratting with drones? you've never been to wspace. stay in 0.0, that's were goons belong...
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#11 - 2014-08-04 05:52:32 UTC
Triakis Cadelanne wrote:
Hello,

We know that the Proteus, with is 100 mbit/s bandwidth, can't deploy a full set of heavy drone like any drone boat. I was wondering why, and so I've read some stuff on the forum, saying that it would create an Ishtar with 5x more EHP. Ok, it sounds kinda OP.

So, what's the use of the drone synthesis projector ? His gun bonus is useless since you can fit only 3 guns if you want a correct drone bay, but the max 100 mbit/s makes your applied DPS weaker than a gun Proteus.


I used to run a Proteus as a Mini-Marauder (48 km tractors) in missions.
It was a nice, relaxing, less than optimum ISK generator.

Then the null sec cartels whispered in CCP's ear, and presto magic, drones were wrecked (first heavies with the AI that insta killed anything but sentries, then of course the sentry drone nerf) for a Proteus, and now, salvaging is utter garbage.

Do yourself a favour, and focus on other ships but the Proteus. Remember, there is a serious nerf coming for T3''s in general, but especially, the Proteus's PvP setup, and of course, any remnants of a PVE setup.
hmskrecik
TransMine Group
Gluten Free Cartel
#12 - 2014-08-04 11:48:06 UTC
Triakis Cadelanne wrote:
[....]So, what's the use of the drone synthesis projector ?

You can launch two Geckos.
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2014-08-04 19:32:37 UTC
Thoregon Aubaris wrote:
@Xequecal: WH ratting with drones? you've never been to wspace. stay in 0.0, that's were goons belong...


I've done plenty of ratting in w-space, I know exactly how the drone **** works. You will lose some light drones on the heavy frig waves but not medium/heavies if you know what you're doing.
God's Apples
Wilderness
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#14 - 2014-08-08 04:03:41 UTC
The drone sub on the proteus is really stupid. 100m3 is pretty **** and even to get that you have to go through hurdles. You either can't pick the highest velocity sub or you only have 3 mids if you want 100m3 bandwidth. Otherwise you get 75m3 bandwidth and 125m3 drone bay which is unusable.

I just want the proteus to be able to have an AB sub and 125m3 drone synthesis sub with velocity/tracking bonus (no range so that it isn't like the ishtar).

"Hydra Reloaded are just jealous / butthurt on me / us because we can get tons of PVP action in empire while they aren't good enough to get that." - NightmareX
Chi'Nane T'Kal
Interminatus
#15 - 2014-08-08 09:30:14 UTC
God's Apples wrote:
(no range so that it isn't like the ishtar).


So you're fine with it being like a VNI? ;)
Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#16 - 2014-08-08 16:15:24 UTC
Chi'Nane T'Kal wrote:
God's Apples wrote:
(no range so that it isn't like the ishtar).


So you're fine with it being like a VNI? ;)



I'm fine with the legion being like the nomen so why not like the VNI
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#17 - 2014-08-09 16:14:01 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Triakis Cadelanne wrote:
Hello,

We know that the Proteus, with is 100 mbit/s bandwidth, can't deploy a full set of heavy drone like any drone boat. I was wondering why, and so I've read some stuff on the forum, saying that it would create an Ishtar with 5x more EHP. Ok, it sounds kinda OP.

So, what's the use of the drone synthesis projector ? His gun bonus is useless since you can fit only 3 guns if you want a correct drone bay, but the max 100 mbit/s makes your applied DPS weaker than a gun Proteus.


I used to run a Proteus as a Mini-Marauder (48 km tractors) in missions.
It was a nice, relaxing, less than optimum ISK generator.

Then the null sec cartels whispered in CCP's ear, and presto magic, drones were wrecked (first heavies with the AI that insta killed anything but sentries, then of course the sentry drone nerf) for a Proteus, and now, salvaging is utter garbage.



Nobody asked for changes to omnis, we all told CCP the problem was drone assist en masse.

salvaging hasn't changed, and loot really hasn't changed either. We did that test remember, loot value is in meta 4s.

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Do yourself a favour, and focus on other ships but the Proteus. Remember, there is a serious nerf coming for T3''s in general, but especially, the Proteus's PvP setup, and of course, any remnants of a PVE setup.


Its still capable of completing piths penal and the maze in T2 fits as a droneboat (which is far closer to its "role" than L4 missions), and in some ways actually got a little better with the last patch because it came with an improvement to wardens, which it relies on more than an Ishtar does.