Player Features and Ideas Discussion

its not ORE its Sisters of EvE.......

I would like to point out that no faction ship should ever be Black Ops, I dont think people will wana train gallente and amarr battleship both to 5 just to fly a cloaky logi.....

seriously, to balance having a faction ship as a black ops you would be looking at a skill line like this:

Black Ops I
^
Spaceship Command V
^
Jump Drive Calibration IV
^
Jump Drive Operation V
^
Warp Drive Operation V
^
Navigation V
^
Cloaking IV
^
Amarr Battleship V
^
Amarr Battlecruiser III
^
Amarr Cruiser III
^
Amarr Destroyer III
^
Amarr Frigate III
^
Gallente Battleship V
^
Gallente Battlecruiser III
^
Gallete Cruiser III
^
Gallente Destroyer III
^
Gallente Frigate III

That is just to sit in the damn thing which would take around 163 days, where as training a normal Black Ops would only take around 110 days just to sit in it, and this is with un-altered attributes and no learning implants.

Id rather spend that 163 days on capital training than on two different ships skills just to fly 1 T2/Faction Hybrid ship.

Also because it is T2/Faction Hybrid you would be looking at something like this for bonuses:

Amarr Battleship Bonuses:
4% Armor resistances per level

Gallente Battleship Bonuses:
10% drone damage and hitpoints per level

Black Ops Bonuses:
125% bonus to ship max velocity when using Cloaking Devices
10% bonus to remote armor repairer and remote capacitor transmitter amount

Role bonuses:
400% bonus to remote armor repairer range
400% bonus to remote capacitor transmitter range

It is simply a bad idea because it is way too skill intensive.

Because having a short cut of to get into a Black Ops would be broken....

Black Ops is a Highly specialized niche that can completely you up.

The fact that you suggest being able to use a Black Ops with both races ships skill at level 1, well you should never fly Black Ops, go get your self some damn skill dedication and go train a black ops istead of at CCP for an Easy access Black Ops that you always die in because you only have the ship skills at level 1.


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Nestor is in a nice place, but Black Ops ability would be even nicer.

*Perhaps* there is a way to make it so the ship cannot use it's jump drive without the Black Ops skill trained, but can still function otherwise.

The fact you say Logi is a no brainer task, already says your a fail logi and you should never fly black ops like I have said before, but never fly logi....

CCP has said on numerous occasions cost is not a balancing factor.

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I fly logi all the time, which is why I recognize a clear and very distinct hole in Black Ops. To put it another way I fly more in logi than I black ops. I can tell you right now having logi on grid with a black ops gang will change those fleets from gank fleets into surprise assault fleets, and that is something that is very very lacking from the black ops ships. They should be more than just "oh caught you ratting in a belt" They should be field presence fleets that set up before or stick around after to initiate fights, escalate, and prolong them. The fact the only other options are gimicky T3 fits or dropping carriers is severely restrictive to what Black Ops can be.

As a logi pilot I would shell out the money to fly one of these ships, in both training time required, and isk needs.

It fills a hole in ships.
It fits the narrative of the ships line,
and it justifies the cost.

And don't kid yourself with things like CCP doesn't adjust ships based on the market. The very reason the Drake was nerfed was because of market related reasons, the very reason ships (look at the pirate factions lately) get buffed is to justify their market value. Every single ship change has been predicated because of either market value dominance, or market value shortfall. Every single one. The market tells them what the OP/UP stuff is, If people are shelling out 300M on one Pirate Cruiser and not another its because the other is not as good...period.

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All the nestor needs is a triage version of bastion.

But we all know CCP is going to come out with that soon anyway. Come on.

EDIT: OH that, and/or blops capability, which should be obvious; CCP was just hesitant to create a blopsenstein monster.

P.S. Reduce isotope consumption of blops bridging <3

It should definitly be either a blops logi (with it's own jump drive) or be a drone marauder with the bastion module.

I don't. By the logic presented in your earlier rant about black ops, why should people have access to triage at BS skill level I?

Good Afternoon,

I have gone through and cleaned this thread up, please remain on topic and civil.