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ISboxer makes money for CCP. More accounts simply put. This is poor idea.

Your spreadsheet is awful for many reasons. The primary being you're not going to make a solid 35 mill an hour across all characters for 6 hours straight in highsec (not even ice miners pull in 35m an hour solid). IF you're not in highsec then there's a LOT more things you could be doing to make better isk per hour on one character. Last time I played in WHs and such I was approaching 500m an hour with two accounts. Are you going to demand that WHs and Null be nerfed now?

You should give multiboxing a try. You'll quickly find out your theoretical income is absolutely ridiculously overly optimistic..

Make sure to say hi to the gankers when they come.

There is nothing scientific or factual with that spreadsheet screenshot. You might as well put in random numbers.

You're running fleet boosters yet you neglect to include them in your account total. You present this as an easy possible income rate for all yet you're using numbers from a nullsec anom. You're not accounting for the rent or other costs of keeping said nullsec anomaly either. You're like the industry type that doesn't take into account the worth of the minerals they used because they mined them "for free".

Meanwhile in highsec your numbers are wildly better then the average miner could ever hope for AND you will find gankers in in most systems with good ice or ore. Granted most of the gankers do tend to rotate across several systems so it's possible to avoid them if you move enough.

EDIT : I just wanted to get it clarified that your numbers are bad.

I just want to clarify your complete argument is bad.

My numbers are easily achieveable with a small time of training. Your idea and re-refferenceing that highsec is such low income doesnt really matter much as the people not making that type of income prob arent multiboxing.

You seem to be a very uninformed player and/or just a time wasting troll.

you say "You're running fleet boosters yet you neglect to include them in your account total." Are you talking about heavy water usage? why include such small expenses? u can run 8 hours a day easy for only a few hundred million a month.

I do not count the cost of the toilet paper I'll use in a few hours into the meal I'm eating now.


With all your question/comments only leading away from the obvious point that really can only be argued with nonsense, Ill let you "insert your awful comments below".

Some issues:
-When you're running your accounts in their own virtual environment its a small step to have each use a different proxy. ISBoxer users already pay for their tool, so it's likely they'd be willing to put the additional money for dedicated proxy slots on the table.
-Large number of people using the same proxy would result in large comparison overhead, opening the door for all kind of node killing shenanigans...
-Online games will rarely process all commands on the server side but rather will compute the effect client sided and send the results of the commands to the server. The server will then perform a sanity/consistency check. This is why stuff like speed hacks etc. exists; the client sends updated positions that are wrong but set up in a way that fools the sanity check on the server. I'm not familiar with the details of eve I/O, however to just assume that the client sends something along the lines of "player pushed button X at time Y" seems unlikely.

So no, it's not simple.

Really? you manage to shoot yourself because of system lag ? really ?

now you want to explain us how a "high end computer" works and why system lag kills every ISBoxer concept and you have to do all the commands veeeeeery slow. oops, first incursion ship is gone because you have to command your logistics veeeeery slow .....

to be honest, it is not possible to shoot yourself in any situation with a good overview. it has nothing to do with the computer. but like you explained your travel problem earlier, sometimes you have to understand the mechanics first before you use an optimized method/third party tool.

but anyways, ISBoxer is cool. we are discussion right now how bomb damage is calculated by the server. maybe it is possible to throw 255 bombs at the same time from the same spot ? depends on the damage calculation. if the server calculates them in a single time frame who knows, should be possible to hit a single server time frame with more than 8 bombers. would open the possibility to change complete fleet battles as a single player with a single bomb run.

As a college student, I have a simple solution for you all, or for the ones that are complaining about this.

In college, or at least in american colleges, I don't know about other world colleges, but if a student wants to get something in the college OR in the community changed, they have to write a research paper.

This research paper can be any length, though longer and more compelling it is, the more likely it will get considered.

Anyways, moving on, here is what I suggest. If you feel that this program. IsBoxer is such a bad problem, why don't you collect data on it? Write a research paper with a compelling argument along with SUPPORTING DATA AND FACTS, and submit it to CCP, and CMS. The worst that can be told to you is the same thing that is already happening in this thread, and that is they don't agree with your argument.

Instead of fighting on the forums, and making the thread more and more unlikely to be read, why don't you try my suggestion out?

Your comments make it quite clear you have absolutely no experience running pvp isboxer fleets. As stated before if isboxer made you so godly then why isn't your corp running roughshod over everyone?

I've shot myself with none of my ships being on the overview. The times I've done it were when I was in an incursion site killing NPCs. During all the earlier incidents the overview was setup to show only the sansha npcs (and the gate). Despite this some how I will find myself with a capsuleer combat timer. What usually gets me to notice though is the sudden decrease in HP of one of my DPS. Due to a recent run in with a fleet attempting to gank me I've changed my overview to include the typical gank ships. Filters are setup to only show ships outside of my fleet etc. Analyzing my setup there should be 0% possibility of targeting myself yet it still occurs. Even under ideal situations ISBoxer's repeater doesn't place the mouse perfectly in the same spot on every screen. Add to the misplaced mouse tendencies other problems like internet related lag and system related lag and you get all kinds of unintended actions(not to mention isboxer/eve interactions with all the low level drivers and such in windows). I'm pretty sure that's how I'm targeting myself once every +3 hours of gameplay. I'm not terribly surprised as I'm sure that when CCP was programming this game they had no plans for people to be running +10 copies of the game on the same machine. Unintended actions and such are to be expected in such a complicated and unexpected setup.

As for running incursions there's basically two different ways to target sansha. One is to use broadcasts on a non repeater ship and then using repeater to have the other DPS target the broadcast. I find this method to be slow and very clunky for my setup. I personally use the overview and there's two ways to run that. You can run with tags which once again the act of tagging means you're not targeting your ships for reps or shooting sansha while you're doing the first set of tags on each wave. I personally have filters and a specific sorting method that allows for me to achieve singular targeting at least 90% of the time. It's much faster then dealing with the hassle of tagging (for my setup). As mentioned earlier isboxer's repeater function doesn't place the mouse perfectly on every screen and system/internet lag can further exasperate the problem resulting in incorrect targeting. So I'm generally slow and careful when it comes to important targeting. Fortunately in VGS I can be kind of sloppy when targeting the tamas/niarja since they don't require much to explode. Even so I have to be careful in OTAs for obvious reasons.

Watching isboxers run incursions on youtube you can see how they are moving MUCH slower then you would controlling a single client. The very design of incursions allows for these slower movements to occur without penalty. Pretty much every single site has the incursion ships appearing +30 KM away which gives time to do targeting. If they are closer you're going to have to wait for your webs to slow them down anyway. My logistics aren't tied to isboxer and I've said that many times over. I've also said the reason they aren't tied in as part of my isboxer setup is because I like operating them at normal speed. Also when something goes horribly wrong with isboxer or eve the logistics are unaffected. So I can at least keep characters alive till they warp off. LIke I've said many times I prefer my simple setup over the all in one complex setup because it's more robust and the logi are much quicker to react with. I will say though that the all in one setup is much lazier to use.

I refuse to humor you're incredibly open ended nonsensical request to explain how a high end computer works. If you don't know how the 1s and 0s work or how the electrical pulses flow I'm not going to sit here typing out a paper explaining it for your. STop being lazy. IO systems always have a limit in capabilities and when you're running 12 clients on one system you're hitting everything hard. Inevitably there will be some burps on some clients.

Explain how to setup this magical "good overview" then. Instead of continuing your usual posts full of vague assertions and outlandish claims. How about you actually explain something for once instead of "Because I SAiD SO SO IT MUST BE TRUE!!!!". ALso while doing this keep in mind my earlier statement that I setup filters so that it's impossible for my fleet members to appear in the oerview

That's exceedingly a bad idea for so many reasons. There are MANY MANY non multiboxers that share the same IP. EVerything from a family or room mates that play to dorms/schools/apartments/condos/ISP firewall/etcetc. One of my internet providers actually had a setup that made everyone that used their service have the same IP to those outside of the network.

Of course defeating your proposal would be easy as MAC spoofing is possible and proxy servers exist galore. Virtual OS installs and multiple machines also bypass your one client per machine concept.

CCP doesn't want to make it one client per machine as they'd lose at least half their subscribers. Null/lowsec movement for non Nullblock members would become a nightmare as cyno alts would be harder to use since few have multiple gaming computers at the same desk........

Um... I am an IT guy, and you are 100% incorrect.

AND

CCP already does this if you use a trial account. Try it. It will only let you log onto that ONE account on the same machine.

People share a sub-net "Mask", Your IP is unique to your singular connection (Whether it is a random or static one every time you connect). If you hook 2 computers up in the exact same room on a router, both will have different IPs (I should know I have 3 in my apartment as I build them for a living). Your IP is how the internet determines where to send and receive information from.

Each connection is unique. It is however possible to get a second computer to mimick the IP of another, But this must be done manually and causes a shitload of network issues.

So you can have 20 computers in one home, and each will have a different IP.

Also the EvE Server client can determine which machine is hooked up where and how many clients are running on it, it's how they restrict account that are trial. Try it, Open a trial account then try and log in on a normal account, it will not let you as long as that trial account is logged in, but hop on another computer right next to it and you can log on all of them, as long as no trial account is open on that computer.

If they shared an IP this would not be possible. (Not to mention you can look at the IP yourself of your own computer).


My Specific tech degree is in Internet Security and Network Forensics. So I know for a fact you can easily do what I suggested with 0 issues, and as I stated above