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I have a question For people that say they will never go to Null or lowsec

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Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2011-12-08 18:44:46 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
This was a long post about the way WoW keeps its subscribers addicted to the game by a means of constantly triggering the reward system of the brain and a comparison to the horrible reward system EvE uses but,

the forums happened and it was lost for ever.


I wouldn't be surprised if the "skill training completed" dialogue triggers that very same reward centre. It even works the same way as WoW. Frequent meaningful boosts from skill training at the start, but then it takes longer and longer to get smaller and small boosts.
Hecatonis
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#62 - 2011-12-08 18:57:20 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Hecatonis wrote:
i dont think you reading what people are saying. they are answering you, maybe you dont like the answer, or maybe you dont understand it.
I don't think you (and the others giving similar answers) understand the question. He is asking why people who don't have a goal bother to endlessly farm.

If you have a goal, even jsut saving for new ships (which the OP specifically listed), the question doesn't apply to you.


i dont think you (and the others asking similar questions) understand the answer, i am saying people dont need a goal. you might, i might, but not everyone does.

a friend of mine enjoys organizing absolutely everything, alphabetically, numerically, chronologically. i think its bat sh*t crazy and the most boring thing in the entire world, but he likes it. for him that's enough. i am over it and moved on.

its time you move on as well, just because you don't find enjoyment out of doing something, doesn't mean others cant. just because you don't feel that the act of doing something (that you find boring) and enjoying it justifies the act of doing it anyway, doesn't mean others need to stop.

this is a sandbox, this means that people play they way they want and its not the wrong way to play.

the miners can mine
the goons can gank those mining
the mission runners can keep running missions
and the nulsec players can keep on doing their thing

they are all valid playstyles and your opinion on what they are doing, or how fun you find those activities, doesnt matter. when people say "i keep the money because i like to see how high i can get he numbers", or "i want to buy a new ship", or "because i can" is enough.

this has been said more many people here, accept the answer and move on.

Morganta
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
#63 - 2011-12-08 18:59:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Morganta
exploitation of the addiction mechanic in humans

same principals as with gambling addiction.

and if given a choice between winning and losing, people will always take winning
Igualmentedos
Perkone
Caldari State
#64 - 2011-12-08 19:02:53 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
I have a question For people that say they will never go to Null, lowsec, or WH space and that never engage other plays i any form of social interaction.

This is not for the high sec indy or mining type of people that actively engage in interactions with other people this is a question for the people that.


A. gather large sums of isks and in turn do nothing with it

a1 - Incursion runners that do not take active rolls in any corp, pvp, play market games or Build items.( the type that don't speak and might as well be automated)

a2 - Mission runners that do not take active rolls in any corp, pvp, play market games or Build items.

a3 - Miners that do not take active rolls in any corp, pvp, play market games or Build items.

These are the people i want answers to my question from.



Why is it you play EvE if you take no larger roll in the game, (this is not a Y U NO PVP question) you gather large sums of isk but in turn do nothing with it most people have a goal while getting isk be it a new mission ship, a titan or SC, help funding a corp project, funding for playing the markets.

Is there something you do with this isk?




This question was spawned from reading a thread about removing incursions from high sec* and seeing the large amounts of people saying they will never go to lowsec or null for any reason, but don't do any thing in high sec besides farm isks.


* ( i still view the best change for high sec incursions as a reduction in raw isk pay outs and a increase in the LP pay out)


Everyone should play like me. It is the only way to play Eve.

See how stupid that sounds? Honestly, take a step back and just think about what you're saying. People constantly talk about "the sandbox"(lol what a joke) of Eve, but require everybody plays like them. How is that a sandbox?

Am I the only one that sees how stupid that sounds?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#65 - 2011-12-08 19:11:35 UTC
Igualmentedos wrote:


Everyone should play like me. It is the only way to play Eve.

See how stupid that sounds? Honestly, take a step back and just think about what you're saying. People constantly talk about "the sandbox"(lol what a joke) of Eve, but require everybody plays like them. How is that a sandbox?

Am I the only one that sees how stupid that sounds?



I think its rather daft to never even try that vast bulk of things you can do in EVE. Cant say you don't like it if you have never done it before.
Borisaurus
Guardians of the Gate
I Aim To Misbehave
#66 - 2011-12-08 19:14:12 UTC
Myrdraeus Keaunt wrote:
Nex apparatu5 wrote:
Myrdraeus Keaunt wrote:
Captain Alcatraz wrote:
Because some people would never leave the cave given the chance

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave


Ugh. That allegory is one of the worst justifications of woo ever. It forms the basis of every tyranny known to man. "Force them out, they'll thank us later." It's too bad that of all the great Greek philosophers, Plato is the most remembered.


It's incredibly ironic you could be so wrong on your interpretation, mostly because this applies to people like you.


Uh huh. Someone that spends any time in self-reflection might consider for a moment that claims like that are too easy to make for them to be meaningful. Plato should have spent more time on that and less time finding fault with everyone around him.


Implying Platonic Idealism is removed from self reflection.
Implying Plato didn't spend his time in a useful manner.
Implying it's Plato's fault and not Socrates.
Implying.
Mokokan
Wormhole Tourz
#67 - 2011-12-08 19:16:15 UTC
Ok, I couldn't resist. Shooting a tree with lasers IRL is definitely possible, and is surprisingly inexpensive. The difficulty lies in dealing with the fire department and police later. You just have to select your target area with care. Cool And unless you want serious trouble, don't aim at people, aircraft, buildings or vehicles!!

More on topic: Doing anything just about anywhere IRL involves dealing with people who feel it their mission in life to "supervise" your actions and cause you grief if you don't measure up to their expectations. Who needs that in an online game, too? The OP should expect some pushback from those who perceive a bias in his question. I suspect that those he is inquiring about, if they really exist, don't really want others to catch on to their way of playing the game, anyway. Pirate
Zevina
Atomic Core Industries and Science
#68 - 2011-12-08 19:18:07 UTC
Eve is the biggest market simulator on the internet. Everything you do has an impact on others and watching your wallet flash from income is quite a nice thing.
Maybe others dont understand why I enjoy Eve if I dont take part in PvP, but thats okay, they have another point of view. I have mine.
But if they say I dont contribute to this game they are just plain wrong. Because I know I do very much.

What I do with my iskies?

Well enjoy having them, fitting new ship designs or training chars I might like to play in the future (yep, even PvP chars, but didnt bother to use them yet) and longing for more WiS stuff so I can play "Space Sims"... ;-)
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
#69 - 2011-12-08 19:26:33 UTC
I do not really meet your criterion as I do go into low and W (in fact this pilot lives in W, but all my others are in high sec). Also I do interact with corp and alliance members, help them, and so on.

But I also have been closely following the discussions between those who like non-pvp type play and those that do, and tried to find the difference. The best Ive figured out is some people get The Rush, and some do not.

The Rush is a good felling one gets with and after a burst of adrenaline associated with an exciting experience, like PvP combat. Not everyone gets The Rush. Some get no pleasure from adrenaline, and some actually feel bad or sick from it. According to Dr. Drew Pinsky, the difference between these people is genetic. You are born to get The Rush, or you are not. The result is some players will not enjoy PvP and actively seek to avoid it, and no amount of game tweaking will change that, because game tweaking will not change their genes. After all this is a game, people will tend to avoid game activities that make them sick. Instead they do cooperative activities, industry, missions and the like, or just play as solo players.

People who do not get The Rush can also enjoy activities like fishing, a sport that is more popular that any computer game, even WoW. Or puzzle games, or solitaire, or Golf (one of the most popular pastimes on the planet). These players like an activity that occupies the mind, is relaxing, and gives one a gentle feeling of accomplishment as they watch the isk pile up. For them, a certain amount of repetition is not boring, its reassuring and relaxing.

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Rykuss
In Praise of Bacchus
#70 - 2011-12-08 19:28:10 UTC
Handsome Hussein wrote:
There's a lot of butt-hurt in this thread over a simple question about goals in-game.


There's a lot of butt-hurt, and asinine explainations for why people should justify their style of play, in this thread. Lol

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Handsome Hussein
#71 - 2011-12-08 19:29:34 UTC
Zevina wrote:
Eve is the biggest market simulator on the internet. Everything you do has an impact on others and watching your wallet flash from income is quite a nice thing.

OP wasn't directed at you, at least as I read it.

You answered an unobtrusive question in a direct and polite manner, others get completely ******* unhinged at the mere suggestion that someone might judge their playstyle, probably because they can't really think of a reason why they do those things in the first place.

Leaves only the fresh scent of pine.

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#72 - 2011-12-08 19:29:42 UTC
As an Isk check to isk check sorta person I donnot enjoy 0.0 activies which try to persistently put me into the red and the ratting and null grinding was ever so much more costly than the pvp. Well... technically the ratting involved pvp but alas I had some plenty of insecure neighborhoods in null where ratting was much more dangerous than fleet ops.

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Igualmentedos
Perkone
Caldari State
#73 - 2011-12-08 19:37:01 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Igualmentedos wrote:


Everyone should play like me. It is the only way to play Eve.

See how stupid that sounds? Honestly, take a step back and just think about what you're saying. People constantly talk about "the sandbox"(lol what a joke) of Eve, but require everybody plays like them. How is that a sandbox?

Am I the only one that sees how stupid that sounds?



I think its rather daft to never even try that vast bulk of things you can do in EVE. Cant say you don't like it if you have never done it before.


I agree, but who is knocking it? You don't see carebears telling people to stop killing each other. Although they tell people to stop killing them(I think we all can get behind that, nobody enjoys getting owned). Also, what if they tried it, and just didnt care for it at all? Now they just sit in Dodixie and run missions all day.

It's a video game FFS, let people do whatever the hell they want. As long as it's not against the rules.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#74 - 2011-12-08 19:53:46 UTC
Trainwreck McGee wrote:
im just going to assume that everyone who just missions all day long must be a zombie

SPACE ZOMBIES!!!!!



They're in league with Sansha! KILL THEM NAO! Cool

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Nephilius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#75 - 2011-12-08 19:54:13 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Hecatonis wrote:
i dont think you reading what people are saying. they are answering you, maybe you dont like the answer, or maybe you dont understand it.
I don't think you (and the others giving similar answers) understand the question. He is asking why people who don't have a goal bother to endlessly farm.

If you have a goal, even jsut saving for new ships (which the OP specifically listed), the question doesn't apply to you.


Maybe just playing a game you like and relaxing after the hassles of the day IS the goal, without having to worry about everyone else. I'd wager that if there was a single player version of the game, a lot of people would play that instead.

It's kind of like Black Ops...sometimes I don't want to be bothered with multiplayer, so I would play Combat Training instead. When I didn't have to worry about the morons sprinkled in for flavor, I could screw around and have fun. Fun is the goal, and each person plays his or her way to achieve that. Trying to make it just about isk, ships, pew, without taking any other possibility in mind, and you will never understand every person's reason for playing the way they do
"If."
Zuevil
Perkone
Caldari State
#76 - 2011-12-08 20:14:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Zuevil
Jack Traynor wrote:
Don't you guys ever get tired of asking the same crap day after day? What do you care how other other people play the game? Do you have some internet-driven need to feel superior over other people?

Get over it already. You play your game, and let them play theirs. Period.



Enough Said...


Why should anyone tell you why they play? Yes you may ask but, that only makes you a nosy, arrogant, intrusive wannabe. Just mind your own business and play the game.


Crumplecorn wrote:
Notice that most people who attacked the OP apply a false dichotomy between the "OP's way" and "their way". They respond "why should I play your way?", despite the fact that the OP specified a very specific group of players and asked the very general question "why don't you do anything else?".

It's like asking a soccer player why they play soccer, and getting "why should I play your sport?" as the answer.


Very good observation! Totally agree on this.

Jack Traynor wrote:
The common wisdom holds true; those who sit in empire and do basically nothing have no knowledge of the game, and thus lump 99% of the activities in it into one alternative playstyle which they then reject. Notice that some people mention not wanting to go to null, which doesn't even answer the question, since the OP mentioned goals like playing the markets or funding a new ship purchase.

There's the answer to the OP's question: They don't do what they do because they have a reason to do it, they do it because they signed up and then preemptively rejected 99% of the content of the game, leaving them with only endless mining or missioning or what have you. Everything else is terribad PvP-land, and you better not suggest they get involved.


Mind sharing the survey results, and/or any other means you have had to come up to this conclusion?


Whatever means you used, it missed me.

edit: typos
Myrdraeus Keaunt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2011-12-08 20:22:44 UTC
Borisaurus wrote:
Myrdraeus Keaunt wrote:


Uh huh. Someone that spends any time in self-reflection might consider for a moment that claims like that are too easy to make for them to be meaningful. Plato should have spent more time on that and less time finding fault with everyone around him.


Implying Platonic Idealism is removed from self reflection.
Implying Plato didn't spend his time in a useful manner.
Implying it's Plato's fault and not Socrates.
Implying.


It most certainly is. Platonic Idealism has very little to do with anything. He mistakenly identified abstracting with purifying and concepts with entities....that's it really. He inverted the relationship between his Forms, which he thought were a pure form of the objects in this world that were missing something compared with that form; truth of the matter is that abstracting is the taking away of details and so the form is less than the real object.

As to the idea that there's a world of forms with an omniscient entity ruling over them all...that's pure religion, not philosophy. It doesn't help anything, it only invents new shadows and new chains. It's only arrogance that then allows one to claim that people not buying into your inventions are saddled with preconceptions and illusions, unable to break beyond.

I don't know if Plato spent his time in a useful manner or not. Creating a University seems like a useful pursuit to me. What I do know is that his treatises are a lot more about what's wrong with everyone else than any real inward looking. Perhaps it is difficult to blame him after watching an entire populace turn on one of the greatest thinkers of all time and murder him, but still--inventing Form World and implying that everyone ELSE is in chains and blinded by illusions is not very self-reflective.

Blaming it on Socrates isn't exactly legit either. There is a very clear difference between Socratic philosophy and Platonic. That Plato wrote words into Socrates's mouth should not imply that he actually said those things. It was a common practice of the age to make your arguments in the character of philosophical leaders; many still do it when they pit Socrates and Plato (or others) against each other in argument. The main difference you can see between the two versions of Socrates, the probably real one and Plato's characterization of him, is that the former asked a lot of questions while the latter had more answers. Socrates wouldn't have invented "forms" and other woo but instead shattered the preconceptions of his day by asking irritating questions. So no, Platonic Idealism and Form World cannot likely be "blamed" on Socrates, especially since his other students didn't all go down the same path as Plato.
Swordfingers
The Swollen Horse Society
#78 - 2011-12-08 20:23:56 UTC
Some people simply want to amuse themselves by playing the game for a while. They don't need anything more specific and if grinding missions is the only thing they want or can do, then they do it and are happy with it. In my opinion, the need for having longterm goals or extensive longterm planing just for a effing game is a clear indication that you need drastically more real life asap.
Myrdraeus Keaunt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#79 - 2011-12-08 20:28:02 UTC
Jack Traynor wrote:
Do you have some internet-driven need to feel superior over other people?


Well, it's not driven by the Internet, but yeah...duh!
Decaneos
Casalt Corp
CAStabouts
#80 - 2011-12-08 20:32:42 UTC
for me its simple, i dont really have time to comimit to a corp/allience, and i like mission running, so i do my missions in high sec cause i wont have buddys to help pull me out of the inevitable fire in low sec.

0.0 is for those in a allience who are demanding on your playtime and playstyle, i dont have much time to play so cant do this.
low sec is frankly suicide for a lone player trying to do missions which is what i like to do.

so that leaves me with highsec, i fail to understand why other ppl cant understand this.