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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#61 - 2014-08-04 19:47:34 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Val Karan wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Why waste 25 minutes making ~70mil isk when you can blitz in less than 2 minutes and make 8mil?

lol 2 minutes.
you forgot to include traveltime, this is a mission that is 90% 2-4 jumps away.


From my agent it's always 2 jumps away. My mach has warp speed rigs and an MWD. Including travel time it's no more that 4-4.5 minutes. Popping 1 cruiser and looting a can isn't hard lol.

I understand fully where Estella is coming from. When i get Dread Pirate Scarlet I'm happy as hell, I know that I'm going to get an 8 mil implant and 9400 Sisters of EVE LP for a few minutes work. It's like Recon only faster and pays better. I always blitz that mission so i can move on to the next.


So not even close to 2 minutes, like I said.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#62 - 2014-08-04 19:50:23 UTC
Can you not read? I said several times that 2 minutes is from warping to the mission site, going thru the first and second gate, and blapping Scarlett. Or do you have some kind of complex where you feel the need to be right all the time? Grow up.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#63 - 2014-08-04 20:08:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipher Jones
Estella Osoka wrote:
Can you not read? I said several times that 2 minutes is from warping to the mission site, going thru the first and second gate, and blapping Scarlett. Or do you have some kind of complex where you feel the need to be right all the time? Grow up.


It took me about 90 minutes to file my tax return and I got around 7 grand. Clearly I make $4500 an hour.

I mentioned it twice, once to you and once to Jenn. The time that I mentioned it to you, you had not yet mentioned that you were bullshitting heavily yet. It's cool that you corrected yourself. The second time I was not even talking to or quoting you.

Whenever Sto makes or comments on a thread like this, he has the intellectual honesty to say I made x amount in assets in x amount of time. That's really important when making posts that people who really don't know what level 4's are like are going to read. People who have limited time don't like to waste it. You tell them that they are going to be pulling down a couple hundred mil an hour and they don't make their goal, they are likely to unsub and tell other gamers Eve (and its community) sucks.

And of course I'm infallible; shame on you for thinking otherwise.

Also to add a little content, yeah, just ran it, 29 mil in loot. Thats about average for a full clear from my recollection.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#64 - 2014-08-04 20:23:21 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
I do not include travel times as I usually chain missions. Also, I don't worry too much about declining missions as I have over 8.0 standings with most of the corps I mission for, and I can easily earn back the standing loss. You can kill Scarlett in the 2nd room, but it may not flag the mission complete. However, when you go into the third room she will be there for you to kill again. So you can get 2 bounties for her + the implant.

BTW, Smash the Supplier is easy mode. Kill the shipyards and you don't have to worry about the respwans. The tags you can farm from that mission are very noice.


The above is from page 2. Specifically states I do not include travel times. Salvage and loot totals are insignificant to the LP you can earn by doing more missions in an hours time, as you can use that LP to buy items that will make you significantly more isk on the market.

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#65 - 2014-08-04 21:44:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Cipher Jones wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Val Karan wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Why waste 25 minutes making ~70mil isk when you can blitz in less than 2 minutes and make 8mil?

lol 2 minutes.
you forgot to include traveltime, this is a mission that is 90% 2-4 jumps away.


From my agent it's always 2 jumps away. My mach has warp speed rigs and an MWD. Including travel time it's no more that 4-4.5 minutes. Popping 1 cruiser and looting a can isn't hard lol.

I understand fully where Estella is coming from. When i get Dread Pirate Scarlet I'm happy as hell, I know that I'm going to get an 8 mil implant and 9400 Sisters of EVE LP for a few minutes work. It's like Recon only faster and pays better. I always blitz that mission so i can move on to the next.


So not even close to 2 minutes, like I said.


I know you're smarter than this Cipher. Act like it.

You said you can't blitz DPS in 2 minutes. From time of warp to completion (looting the implant, remote turn in mission) its 2 minutes, maybe a bit more. You know that is what Estella was talking about. You were wrong, it's not like it's the end of the world, but your replies about this minor thing are really childish brother.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#66 - 2014-08-05 00:17:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Ireland VonVicious
If you complete remotely which the mission does allow yay you turned it in early. Big smile
Now go fly back to the agent anyway to pick up the next mission. Roll
So you can almost do it in almost 2 mins if you don't count anything that slows you down against you.
I guess you are calling that a victory?

If you can make 10 mil in 5 mins it does not mean you can make 200 mil in a hour.

Again if you can't do it for an entire hour it's not really isk per hour.
It's some random max burst isk number that shows up every so often.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2014-08-05 02:04:08 UTC
Actually in theory you could book mark and turn in the mission and loot the can later with an alt.

But seriously the difference between 20 minutes and 40 minutes is significant. The difference between 2 minutes and 4 minutes is nothing.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#68 - 2014-08-05 04:03:54 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Actually in theory you could book mark and turn in the mission and loot the can later with an alt.

But seriously the difference between 20 minutes and 40 minutes is significant. The difference between 2 minutes and 4 minutes is nothing.



In terms of time, no. In terms of ISK per hour, its exactly the same.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#69 - 2014-08-05 14:02:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Estella Osoka
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
If you complete remotely which the mission does allow yay you turned it in early. Big smile
Now go fly back to the agent anyway to pick up the next mission. Roll
So you can almost do it in almost 2 mins if you don't count anything that slows you down against you.
I guess you are calling that a victory?

If you can make 10 mil in 5 mins it does not mean you can make 200 mil in a hour.

Again if you can't do it for an entire hour it's not really isk per hour.
It's some random max burst isk number that shows up every so often.


But if I can earn 30,000LP in an hour versus 8000LP, that is a huge difference.

ISK is insignificant to the power of the LP!
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#70 - 2014-08-05 22:59:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Ireland VonVicious
That's 60mil at 2mil per 1000 LP.
You might break even with the rewards and small bounty you grab to get that 100mil a hour.

You will get locked out of mission far sooner.

So if you only mission in 1hr chunks it's worth doing blitz usally. (( Mainly for SOE or high LP reward factions like thukker tribe, others it's rarely worth it ))

If you only blitz the ones that truely suck when you don't blitz, you can sustain hours of missioning without flying all over to different agents and do better in the time used than grabing every last thing. (( I usally do this ))

If you grind missions all day blitzing sucks. Even with cherry picking you will get locked out well before the 4hr standings hit more often than not. (( I do this sometimes, Dread Pirate Scarlet especially ))

Blitzing is no friend of mine.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#71 - 2014-08-06 00:34:27 UTC
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
That's 60mil at 2mil per 1000 LP.
You might break even with the rewards and small bounty you grab to get that 100mil a hour.

You will get locked out of mission far sooner.

So if you only mission in 1hr chunks it's worth doing blitz usally. (( Mainly for SOE or high LP reward factions like thukker tribe, others it's rarely worth it ))

If you only blitz the ones that truely suck when you don't blitz, you can sustain hours of missioning without flying all over to different agents and do better in the time used than grabing every last thing. (( I usally do this ))

If you grind missions all day blitzing sucks. Even with cherry picking you will get locked out well before the 4hr standings hit more often than not. (( I do this sometimes, Dread Pirate Scarlet especially ))

Blitzing is no friend of mine.


If you are getting 'locked out', then you should not havwe been blitzing in the 1st place. Blitzing is buring high faction and corp standings to ignore the 4 our cool down. The only risk is the actual agent standings, which is why 1 day out of ever 5 I spend a night rebuilding those standings so I can keep blitzing.

I SOE mission'd up enough isk for a carrier in a weekend of blitzing, with a very little maintenance it can be sustained for ever (especially where I mission in Lanngisi with that storyline agent right there in the same station). I know, I've been doin this for years (originally in Gicodel and Osmon).

Nothing wrong with clearing and salavaging if you like that, but they idea that you have to is wrong.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#72 - 2014-08-06 00:52:32 UTC
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
If you complete remotely which the mission does allow yay you turned it in early. Big smile
Now go fly back to the agent anyway to pick up the next mission. Roll
So you can almost do it in almost 2 mins if you don't count anything that slows you down against you.
I guess you are calling that a victory?

If you can make 10 mil in 5 mins it does not mean you can make 200 mil in a hour.

Again if you can't do it for an entire hour it's not really isk per hour.
It's some random max burst isk number that shows up every so often.


Materials for war prep loads implants with reliable prices, even buying kernite in station vastly overpriced is a net 20m after the kernite and takes ~4m if its not the same station (ie a burst of 300m/hr). The faster you run all the other missions, the faster that one comes back around.

it used to be that one of the option missions instead of mats for war loaded a 1.3B implant, so the game really was about making sure you got your 20 samples of faction mission chance rolls in 20 hours of mission running.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#73 - 2014-08-06 01:43:53 UTC
I just don't wreck my standings.

I'm a standings whore. With faction, corp and agents.

Blitzing doesn't help me make more isk. Atleast not enough to make it worth it longe term.

I'm not a SOE grinder. I open up all the corps I can and enjoy the high standings everywhere.

I mainly trade so you can see the reason for getting all I can from one and moving on.
The average LP is only 1 mil per 1000 at best so I find clearing to be far more effective.

I maxed out the navies first then added emporer to have all 4 trade hub standings.
Opening up more minor trade hub corps all the time.
Yes blitzing would make that happen faster too but that LP ratio sucks compared to SOE so the isk per hour not so good.
I also don't like to move hubs all that often.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#74 - 2014-08-06 18:24:01 UTC
The navies suck for LP to isk ratio, as the people doing FW can get the items cheaper. I personally like running Republic Security Services in Gallente space. That way I can sell Repbulic Fleet Warp Disruptors and Scramblers. Running the missions in Gallente space insures I get faction missions against Amarr.
Annaleva Niminen
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#75 - 2014-08-06 21:12:18 UTC
Out of curisosity I have been logging my missions for quite some time now and i can tell you that my average ISK/h is 75 Million picking every non faction hitting mission. Thats including the time from mission accepting until getting ready for the next including rearming/repping drones.
I fly a Golem for this with 1 tractor beam, 2 salvagers and a MTU, looting on the fly as long as it does not increase my time - cept for the big fishes which drop nice loot which i always pick up, like the implant guys.
Regarding Dread Pirate Scarlet - Blitzing it is more efficient due to the implant drop (blitzing is in general more efficient) - which brings me an average of 45 Million per Dread Pirate Scarlet mission (including the fancy highsec LP conversion agents) with an average of 20 minutes. So this mission alone is theoretically about 140 Million ISK/h so a nice one.
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#76 - 2014-08-06 21:17:41 UTC
Annaleva Niminen wrote:
Out of curisosity I have been logging my missions for quite some time now and i can tell you that my average ISK/h is 75 Million picking every non faction hitting mission. Thats including the time from mission accepting until getting ready for the next including rearming/repping drones.
I fly a Golem for this with 1 tractor beam, 2 salvagers and a MTU, looting on the fly as long as it does not increase my time - cept for the big fishes which drop nice loot which i always pick up, like the implant guys.
Regarding Dread Pirate Scarlet - Blitzing it is more efficient due to the implant drop (blitzing is in general more efficient) - which brings me an average of 45 Million per Dread Pirate Scarlet mission (including the fancy highsec LP conversion agents) with an average of 20 minutes. So this mission alone is theoretically about 140 Million ISK/h so a nice one.

Blitzing Dread Pirate may be more efficient than not blitzing it, but why would you WANT to blitz it? No I'm not insane, lets look at the situation for a second.

Are you THAT much in a hurry to go back to travel times, shooting frigates, refitting, or rogue drones? How does that help you? What the heck is wrong with just staying in Dread Pirate where 90% of the ships is battleships? You get excellent bounties. If you're a marauder you can't be jammed. If you fit a ECCM you will be jammed maybe twice if you're unlucky. If you've got a mobile depot you will have absolutely no problems with anything in the mission.

Unless you're at the point where you're willing to burn standings to chain blitz the very best missions, there's really little benefit to leaving dread pirate. Its all about opportunity cost.
Annaleva Niminen
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#77 - 2014-08-06 22:58:12 UTC
Hakaari Inkuran wrote:
Annaleva Niminen wrote:
Out of curisosity I have been logging my missions for quite some time now and i can tell you that my average ISK/h is 75 Million picking every non faction hitting mission. Thats including the time from mission accepting until getting ready for the next including rearming/repping drones.
I fly a Golem for this with 1 tractor beam, 2 salvagers and a MTU, looting on the fly as long as it does not increase my time - cept for the big fishes which drop nice loot which i always pick up, like the implant guys.
Regarding Dread Pirate Scarlet - Blitzing it is more efficient due to the implant drop (blitzing is in general more efficient) - which brings me an average of 45 Million per Dread Pirate Scarlet mission (including the fancy highsec LP conversion agents) with an average of 20 minutes. So this mission alone is theoretically about 140 Million ISK/h so a nice one.

Blitzing Dread Pirate may be more efficient than not blitzing it, but why would you WANT to blitz it? No I'm not insane, lets look at the situation for a second.

Are you THAT much in a hurry to go back to travel times, shooting frigates, refitting, or rogue drones? How does that help you? What the heck is wrong with just staying in Dread Pirate where 90% of the ships is battleships? You get excellent bounties. If you're a marauder you can't be jammed. If you fit a ECCM you will be jammed maybe twice if you're unlucky. If you've got a mobile depot you will have absolutely no problems with anything in the mission.

Unless you're at the point where you're willing to burn standings to chain blitz the very best missions, there's really little benefit to leaving dread pirate. Its all about opportunity cost.


Good point - Actually thats what i am doing anyway, blitz, get the implant ans kill the battleships. For plain numbers i logged all aspects of the verious missions. In theory Dread priate is a realy good one if you blitz it and if you only got that ype of missions. In total if you are just flying one after the other - Dread pirate gives you in average 85 Million / h if you blitz for the implant and stay. thats correct.
Bibosikus
Air
#78 - 2014-08-06 23:02:41 UTC
I blitz and kill the Battleships.

Call it Blibing, as if I care.

Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
stoicfaux
#79 - 2014-08-07 04:18:54 UTC  |  Edited by: stoicfaux
Welp that was painful.

Vargur versus Dread Pirate Scarlet, Kill All + Loot/Salvage All:
Encountered Guristas, Blood Raiders, and Serps. Popped Annie twice (used a mobile depot to swap between AC and Arty.)
Time: 43m51s
* travel: 4m03s, 1 jump, (25.18+5.87)*2=62.1 AU)
* in mission: 39m48s (could probably knock a minute+ off due to not replacing MWD with MJD before jumping into 4th pocket.)

ISK values from in-game estimate

Bounties: 32,735,376 (32.7M)
Reward: 1,540,000 (1.5M)
Time Bonus: 1,920,000 (1.9M)
LP: 9,117 (0.5 system) @2,000 = 18,234,000 isk (18.2M)
Salvage: 5,555,471 (5.6M)
Loot: 16,000,000 (16M)
* Loot Mineral Value: 4,780,381 (@50% reprocessing) (4.7M)
* meta4 569,000
* meta3 1,760,000
* meta2 1,430,000
* meta1 3,530,000
* meta0 8,700,000 social adaption implant worth 8,180,000

Expenses: ammo: 2,076,480.00 (2.1M)

Asset value minus expenses: 73,908,367 (73.9M)
Asset value per hour: 101,123,244 (101.1M)
Asset value per hour for mission time only: 114,544,073 (114.5M)

Bounties: 44%
Rewards: 5%
LP: 25%
Salvage: 8%
Loot: 22%

Ammo Expenses: 2.7%



tl;dr Vargur > RS + Noctis

Time spent hanging around after the NPCs are dead to loot/salvage everything:
Pocket 1: ~ 2m39s
Pocket 2: ~1m27s
Pocket 3: ~0m58s
Pocket 4: ~3m54s
Total: ~9 minutes spent hanging around after the last NPC in each pocket was dead to loot everything. Given that half of the loot value was in the implant, and salvage value is trivial, you're better off just cherry picking and moving on.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#80 - 2014-08-07 19:25:33 UTC
Could probably increase that time by using an MTU.