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Gila Vs other Cruiser Sized ships
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Nandhi
Glory Hole Stopf Service
#1 - 2014-08-04 19:05:11 UTC
I have a toon which flies Gila and another which flies Gallante Vexor Navy. Drone skills are almost same for those 2 chars. It seems, Gila is over powered when comes to ratting. I am unable to match the speed with which Gila kills agaist a navy vexor which uses 5 Faction heavy drones.

Gila DPS - 500
Navy Vexor - 430

But Gila Kills everything faster than Navy Vexor though the DPS seems to be somewhat same. The time taken for 5 heavy drones to kill a Battleships is almost 1 and half minutes.Whereas Gila kills the same in 30 sec.

Is there a setup using which i can use Heavy Drones efficiently ?

Thanks.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2014-08-04 19:11:25 UTC
i'm not going to look at eft. but i'll mention that pirate cruisers' performance is intended to be outright better than faction cruisers'.

it's a bit weird for vexor navy to use heavies for ratting, though? have you tried sentries?
xplosiv
Doomheim
#3 - 2014-08-04 19:12:07 UTC
Nandhi wrote:
I have a toon which flies Gila and another which flies Gallante Vexor Navy. Drone skills are almost same for those 2 chars. It seems, Gila is over powered when comes to ratting. I am unable to match the speed with which Gila kills agaist a navy vexor which uses 5 Faction heavy drones.

Gila DPS - 500
Navy Vexor - 430

But Gila Kills everything faster than Navy Vexor though the DPS seems to be somewhat same. The time taken for 5 heavy drones to kill a Battleships is almost 1 and half minutes.Whereas Gila kills the same in 30 sec.

Is there a setup using which i can use Heavy Drones efficiently ?

Thanks.



this is because a gill a is a pirate faction cruiser not a navy faction. they do not fit in same category thx bye
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#4 - 2014-08-04 19:15:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Nandhi wrote:
I have a toon which flies Gila and another which flies Gallante Vexor Navy. Drone skills are almost same for those 2 chars. It seems, Gila is over powered when comes to ratting. I am unable to match the speed with which Gila kills agaist a navy vexor which uses 5 Faction heavy drones.

Gila DPS - 500
Navy Vexor - 430

But Gila Kills everything faster than Navy Vexor though the DPS seems to be somewhat same. The time taken for 5 heavy drones to kill a Battleships is almost 1 and half minutes.Whereas Gila kills the same in 30 sec.

Is there a setup using which i can use Heavy Drones efficiently ?

Thanks.


I use 2 Geckos + 2 medium drones + 1 light drone and 4 DDAs. That's more than 800 dps (using 2 hammerheads and 1 hobgoblin) with my alts not perfect drone skills. The Geckos don't do pure damage against anything, but the combination of their raw dps + their speed, + their tracking makes them very very good against anything, the 3 smaller drones doing the pure damage type is a bonus.

The Gila is wonderful as a ratting (and pvp) ship, But the Navy Vexor is the much better choice for pve because you can get better drone dps from it for 1/4th the price tag.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#5 - 2014-08-04 19:21:55 UTC
If you're using free-roaming drones rather than sentries, a very common source for lost kill speed is good old travel time. Even disregarding the damage output difference, the Gila in your example will nuke everything faster because it uses medium drones, not heavy ones. Those medium drones will also hit better since they're tuned for smaller targets than the heavies.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#6 - 2014-08-04 19:29:05 UTC
It's the fear factor.

The Gila looks way more bad ass than the Vexor. It's actually scaring the targets to death.

Mr Epeen Cool
Samantha Floyd
Doomheim
#7 - 2014-08-04 19:32:02 UTC
xplosiv wrote:
Nandhi wrote:
I have a toon which flies Gila and another which flies Gallante Vexor Navy. Drone skills are almost same for those 2 chars. It seems, Gila is over powered when comes to ratting. I am unable to match the speed with which Gila kills agaist a navy vexor which uses 5 Faction heavy drones.

Gila DPS - 500
Navy Vexor - 430

But Gila Kills everything faster than Navy Vexor though the DPS seems to be somewhat same. The time taken for 5 heavy drones to kill a Battleships is almost 1 and half minutes.Whereas Gila kills the same in 30 sec.

Is there a setup using which i can use Heavy Drones efficiently ?

Thanks.



this is because a gill a is a pirate faction cruiser not a navy faction. they do not fit in same category thx bye

Good you're leaving, this leaves room for the posters who actually understood the OP.
Iyokus Patrouette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-08-04 22:27:58 UTC
Surprised no one has mentioned the Ishtar yet.

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Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2014-08-04 22:40:58 UTC
Medium drones.

Better tracking.
Better speed.
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-08-04 22:52:02 UTC
Iyokus Patrouette wrote:
Surprised no one has mentioned the Ishtar yet.

We don't talk about the Ishtar...ever. Damn that ship...but only because I can't fly one yet.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-08-05 01:44:51 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Iyokus Patrouette wrote:
Surprised no one has mentioned the Ishtar yet.

We don't talk about the Ishtar...ever. Damn that ship...but only because I can't fly one yet.


lol

Ishtar/Domi/Rattlesnake


The axis of evil for people that hate drones :D
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#12 - 2014-08-05 02:07:46 UTC
Iyokus Patrouette wrote:
Surprised no one has mentioned the Ishtar yet.


And still, no one has.

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#13 - 2014-08-05 02:11:12 UTC
Nandhi wrote:

But Gila Kills everything faster than Navy Vexor though the DPS seems to be somewhat same. The time taken for 5 heavy drones to kill a Battleships is almost 1 and half minutes.Whereas Gila kills the same in 30 sec.
Thanks.

Remember most BS rats have tank. So you have to subtract their tank from your DPS.
This therefore creates a multiplying effect on the difference between your ships. I.E. If the rat has say a 200 DPS tank effective, then you only have 230 DPS vs 300 DPS, or about 75% the DPS. If the rat has more tank, that DPS difference becomes an even larger ratio.

Ignoring other things like travel time & application.
Shaotuk
Sin City Enterprises
#14 - 2014-08-05 02:42:39 UTC
A properly fit Gila will get quite a bit more dps than 500. For mission running, 1k+ dps is possible; a little less for ratting.
Nandhi
Glory Hole Stopf Service
#15 - 2014-08-05 03:02:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Nandhi
Shaotuk wrote:
A properly fit Gila will get quite a bit more dps than 500. For mission running, 1k+ dps is possible; a little less for ratting.


yea with arabest Rapid light missile launcher I get around 650 dps. Here I am trying consider only the drone damage. The reason why I am asking this is, if gila can outrun all the drone ships, then there is no need for me to train on heavy drones at all. Heavy drones becomes very week when compared to gila traits.

Also , I tried a similar setup using 2 Gecko, 2 medium drones and a light drones. The damage on paper seems to be good like around 480 dos (only drones). But this setup for me is unfortunately very poor. I dono why. This does less damage than 5 heavies.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-08-05 03:07:15 UTC
Tippia wrote:
If you're using free-roaming drones rather than sentries.


When I saw the VNI mentioned by the OP the first thought that came to mind was the use of sentries.
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
#17 - 2014-08-05 05:24:49 UTC
I've never used a Navy Vexor, but the Gila with its medium drones and the Ishtar with sentries both seem to perform about the same for my favored activity. I can't really say one is better than the other, they're just different. CCP did a pretty good job redesigning the Gila I think. I prefer the Gila simply because when it comes to chewing through frigates, micromanaging 2 drones and 3-4 launchers is easier on my hand than micromanaging 5 sentries.
Shaotuk
Sin City Enterprises
#18 - 2014-08-05 05:56:30 UTC
Nandhi wrote:
Shaotuk wrote:
A properly fit Gila will get quite a bit more dps than 500. For mission running, 1k+ dps is possible; a little less for ratting.


yea with arabest Rapid light missile launcher I get around 650 dps. Here I am trying consider only the drone damage. The reason why I am asking this is, if gila can outrun all the drone ships, then there is no need for me to train on heavy drones at all. Heavy drones becomes very week when compared to gila traits.

Also , I tried a similar setup using 2 Gecko, 2 medium drones and a light drones. The damage on paper seems to be good like around 480 dos (only drones). But this setup for me is unfortunately very poor. I dono why. This does less damage than 5 heavies.


You are being myopic for considering only drone damage. You need to factor in all the capabilities of the various drone boats.
Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-08-05 11:36:03 UTC
Shaotuk wrote:
Nandhi wrote:
Shaotuk wrote:
A properly fit Gila will get quite a bit more dps than 500. For mission running, 1k+ dps is possible; a little less for ratting.


yea with arabest Rapid light missile launcher I get around 650 dps. Here I am trying consider only the drone damage. The reason why I am asking this is, if gila can outrun all the drone ships, then there is no need for me to train on heavy drones at all. Heavy drones becomes very week when compared to gila traits.

Also , I tried a similar setup using 2 Gecko, 2 medium drones and a light drones. The damage on paper seems to be good like around 480 dos (only drones). But this setup for me is unfortunately very poor. I dono why. This does less damage than 5 heavies.


You are being myopic for considering only drone damage. You need to factor in all the capabilities of the various drone boats.


Which ones? :)
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-08-05 13:07:38 UTC
Shaotuk wrote:
A properly fit Gila will get quite a bit more dps than 500. For mission running, 1k+ dps is possible; a little less for ratting.

The current Gila fit I'm tooling around with sits around 880 dps with my less than stellar drone skills, 105k EHP, and about 950 passive tank when set for specific resists. (These numbers are from memory from last night, as I don't have EFT or EHQ on my PC at work.)
I am definitely feeling like it's ridiculously overtanked for a cruiser, given the speed potential, and will probably end up dropping some tank to get a bit more damage potential out of it.
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