Player Features and Ideas Discussion

And for your next trick, you imply that the reason for this lack of popularity is because of local being absent.

And the other differences, well, they are just details that everyone simply loves and adores...

Pointing out WHs as an option, especially on equal terms to null except for local, is ridiculous.

I hate to break it to you, but the blob PvP style is distinctly favored by places that have local.

To suggest that a guerrilla style tactic would be more successful is disingenuous, since such tactics rely on an element of surprise not available with Local operating.
Pilots thusly prepared either reship into combat ready craft, or avoid contact altogether.

Why not remove local from everywhere then...

Apparently you post more on these forums than you PVP... You pvper!
Pretty annoying right! Lets remove all Killboards, Pirate helpers, dotlands and what not! Delete this forum too!

Who said anything about everyone trying to AVOID PvP?
I pointed out how local gave them a CHOICE.

If they want to avoid PvP, it is their call to make. If they were prepared, you can't catch them.

Obviously, a good many players want to reship and fight. Assuming they were facing another group of consensual fighters, PvP happens.
(If they WERE facing cloaked ships after PvE assets, these probably stay cloaked, and no fight happens)

I take it that your definition of good fights, is where both sides volunteered to be present and in combat, and noone was caught against their desire to be avoiding such.
Local certainly pushes these consensual encounters, by eliminating anything else.

With the ratio of players present in these areas, you would pretend that this speaks more about something besides the sheer population being present?


Ad hominem for the win, eh?

You are poorly prepared if you think to discredit me from a search on this alt's PvP credentials. I use Nikk in a supporting role, which makes kills in either direction unlikely, IF I do it right.

More than this, you will simply have to wonder about.
All I will say here, is what I have said elsewhere... I have been on both sides of the fence regarding cloaking vs PvE play, and that fence is named local.

It keeps these two sides neatly separated, and keeps PvP either consensual or based off of mistakes by one side.

There are lots of consensual fights.
There probably always will be.
This detail is not significant to this discussion, though you keep bringing it up.

Everyone who said this is so stupid I don't even have words for it.

For one, you can't cyno into wormholes, so there's no chance of you getting hot dropped ever.

For another, you generally have a fixed number of entrances and exits that you can keep track of, whereas in K-space there may or may not be a wormhole in the system, making it questionable whether it's worth trying to scan one down.

Your PVE encourages good scanning skills, so your line member is more easily able to find wormholes. We generally don't need that.

The nature of wormholes allows you to change these connections whenever you so choose, so that if you're displeased about where the wormhole leads you can collapse it.

Wormhole PVE is generally done in fleets with omni-tanked ships and logistics. This is a setup that makes you vastly more capable of defending against incoming threats, especially considering mass limitations on wormholes limits the size of fleets that can attack you. PVE anywhere else, with the exception of incursions, favors local reps with resists specific to the incoming damage of the rats. Anything else makes the setup inefficient and the money making even worse, as anemic as it already is in nullsec.

Which brings me to my last and most important point. Wormhole PVE is vastly more profitable than nullsec PVE, which is what allows you to rotate pilots out for doing nothing other than guarding wormholes. They're fine with that because the time they spend doing PVE nets them a comfortably high amount. If we ever told our ratters "you can only rat for three hours, and then you have to guard gates for three hours" they'd **** off to highsec because at that point they'd be making much more ISK, much more safely, just doing that.

If you wanted us to do this, you'd have to increase nullsec ratting rewards by like 200% at least to make it even remotely viable.


So kindly stop with the "we guard entrances in w-space, you should too!" because it makes you look like an idiot for completely ignoring all of the other differences that make such a system viable in w-space, and not so in k-space.

Its not an attack on you to say you really don't understand why local helps pvpers find quality pvp. You can post with an alt if you want but your alts combat record is in line with the comments you make. You seem to think that mechanics are balanced for pve or pvp. You fail to understand that local is one of those mechanics that helps both pvers and pvpers.

If you want me to believe you really do understand how local helps people find quality pvp why don't you demonstrate it by stating all the reasons you know that and why people argue that nerfing local will just help people who want ganks and blobs. Since your posting on an alt you can't assume people will see you know what you are talking about so perhaps you can actually demonstrate that by giving the arguments from the other side.

Somehow I knew you would not be able to offer any reasons why local is an important tool to finding quality pvp.

As for consenting to pvp people consent to pvp when they undock. So I don't know how any pvp in eve is without consent. what is your point?

Local is a very important tool to finding quality pvp. After looking at your combat history it is not surprising you don't realize that though.

IF you remove pilots showing up in local, you will see the game numbers drop to 1/10 they are now.