Wormholes

This feature effectively deals with 2 major w-space problems.

1) Carebears using caps to make their ISK faucet completely safe.
2) Roaming gangs of T3 ships looking for easy targets to gank.

The end result will be more meaningful PvP over systems and resources, not the current carebear and gank fest.

It's a brilliant solution CCP, make it happen. (and for cynos too please!)

The reaction to this change strikes me as the same sort of "who moved my cheese!" reaction industry got: largely people who don't like change protesting that their carefully optimized gameplay has been altered and they'll have to come up with new ways to do things.

That's understandable, but the group of people who like mindlessly following optimized routines are a very vocal minority and the game is just flatly better when things are shaken up a little. This seems like a good change that will cause a lot more interesting choices.

This ^
Meta does need a change, maybe if the spawn ranges were more tighter, just enough so wormholes stay a brawling environment just as they always had, but increase the amount of time or ways in which a larger ship becomes vulnerable.
Maybe a timer besides polarity for higher mass ships, nothing too significant, 15 seconds to leave a dread or carrier on a hostile side maybe
(Just a spontaneous idea, no h8 m8)

So,

1. you want to avoid a fight.
2. dreads have a terrible time locking subcaps - subcaps can just jump through the WH if they are camping, or burn for the dread or warp out? Or are they avoiding a fight again?
3. no comment, again seems to be avoiding a fight
4. no comment, seems like again a risk-free way of baiting and then ganking
5. freighters have less mass than carriers. If carriers appear at 40km, use a large T2 bubble and freighter is in your bubble.

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Mobile_Large_Warp_Disruptor_II

7. less risk-free hole rolling, maybe.

Hint: no need to slow boat 40+km back to the hole. Just warp off to a safe and back to your hole. Takes less than a minute and some risk.

Anyway, all the posts I see here is how dangerous activity this will be. So don't mix it with "finding fights" in same sentence.

TLDR; None of our discussion is being paid any attention to at the moment. CCP only listens when they want to listen. Guess it's time to shoot the statues outside Jita and Amarr again. CCP doesn't listen, but CCP does watch. Source: monoclegate.

Also Fozzie, it's a bad idea as a dev to tell the player base that "nobody is out to get you." It does nothing to allay the fears and anxieties of a change that, to be frank, will shake the very foundation of player groups living in w-space.

By pushing out changes that drastically alter the perceived quality of life in w space a negative way with no explanations or dev blog to explain your design, CCP has yet again proven their masochistic tendencies towards self immolation. Please stop abusing the trust the players have in you and at least include us in an honest discussion over what you see wrong with this aspect of the game and where your overall design goals regarding WH are headed. You told us about where k space wants to go with player made stargates, so why not show the same kind of love to those of us who live in j space?

The way it is in SiSi now is not a good idea. I'll reserve my final verdict until I've read the devblog

*snip* Offensive comment removed. - ISD Cyberdyne

But won't this change mean that the phrase "you only live once" will describe your capitals rather more accurately?

So are you really trying compare some small change to WH mechanics that tries to avoid risk-free hole rolling with a pay-to-win-eve ? Say it ain't so!

First, this does nothing to solve roaming either of those issues. If anything it makes it harder to gank PVE caps. Mainly due to the fact that it will increase your PVP rolling time by a significant amount. Let s do some simple addition:

If nothing goes wrong you have 65m/s avg on dreads, (the most used gank capital class in WH space)

- So lets say you avg between 20-40k kickout from a WH when you try to rage roll for PVP.

- Thats an extra 5-10 minutes of having your dread slow boating back to the hole. An entire siege cycle or more.

And, thats 5-10 mins of not being able to get support to your dread if the inhabitants decide to jump that dread or if another chain happens to open up in that 5-10 mins. Your dread gets tackled, your fleet can either get half a fleet to die trying to save it or let the dread die....

Ok, so no more dreads rolling holes, that means less PVP by far. PVE'ers can sleep safe knowing that no fleet will roll into them because no one is rage rolling their static. GG Blood Union, Skyfighters, Hardknocks, oh and every other PVP entity in WH space.

So then it turns into null again, don't take out those caps that you want to PVP in because CCP just ****** up any chance of getting a good fight between two parties.

Also, how does this affect T3 combat in any way? The will be even more prevalent because there will be no more point to rolling the hole. Instead lets just take 40 people in T3's and go roaming....oh wait, since no one has rolled their holes that means upperclass WH PVP is only done when two holes happen to connect and not when people are actually ready for a fight....damn CCP looks like you ****** that up too.....

I only see this hurting wormhole space rather then helping it, Nobody in our corp currently thinks this a good idea and from what I can see nobody else in this thread thinks its a good idea.

Orcas jumping and landing 11k is terrible enough on its own but now you are adding capitals landing 30-40k in the hopes of increasing pvp and all I can see this doing is increasing quick ganks.

After removing npc kill data wormholes began a decline and I am glad that CCP is trying to fix this but this is more putting the nail in the coffin then anything and will just cause people to go to null or lowsec making it even harder to get pvp in wormhole space.