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Remove Drone Assist

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Himbeergeist
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2014-08-02 11:20:04 UTC
Theres 3 possibilities.

Remove it.
Allow assist for ships, assisting ships try to target and shoot.
Restrict Drone Assist to targets of owner of the drones.

At the moment it's a pretty weird exception, giving a big advantage not just for real drone fleets but for drone fleets of multiboxers too.
With how little else in EVE is automated, i believe i'd rather have drone assist removed completly than get fleets of auto-assisting turret ships too.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-08-02 11:33:00 UTC
didn't this get dealt with already

in a patch

in the past
ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#23 - 2014-08-02 22:04:58 UTC
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DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
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#24 - 2014-08-03 06:12:47 UTC
F&I forum is --------------> over there
Iain Cariaba
#25 - 2014-08-03 17:05:39 UTC
Miss Twinkie wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Little late to the drone assist nerf party I see, and can't even post this idea in the correct place.

What ship did you lose?

Maybe he's sick of using a drone assist doctrine all the time. I know I was.


This.. So sick of flying Ishtars.

So don't fly them, join the fleets that use other doctrines. If you honestly think all anyone flies in null are ishtars, then you're lying about not being a noob.

Also pretty sure posting on an npc alt is still breaking your alliances ban on shiptoasting.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2014-08-03 21:54:05 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
knobber Jobbler wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
The drone meta?

The only doctrine we have that uses drones is boot carriers, and we don't use drone assist in any official capacity. Sometimes someone will convo four other carrier pilots to remote sensor boost and assist drones to them, but that's not very common in my experience. We get along just fine with targeting enemies ourselves and commanding our own drones.


But everyone else uses Ishtars. Drone assist isn't the problem now. Battle ship size weapons with cruiser tracking on a HAC is.

Battleship size weapons on a HAC, yes. That I will grant you.
Cruiser tracking, no.

It's the Ishtar's ridiculous tracking bonus, really.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Milan Nantucket
Doomheim
#27 - 2014-08-03 22:59:54 UTC
Miss Twinkie wrote:
I'm sure there's 1000 of these threads, but seeing how we just got another strat op of ishtars called I'm gonna make another thread.

Pros


- Removing drone assist from the game gives a much needed nerf to the wrecking ball.
- Brings back some variation to fleets other than a domi/ishtar blob. (Yup you can fly other things, but it'll die to a good sized ishtar blob)
- Drones are still useful, just no longer the I WIN button.
- Can no longer just assist drones and take a nap.

Cons


- Can no longer just assist drones and take a nap.



Right now between the drone meta and how horrible the sov system is eve has stagnated. Removing this feature entirely fixes half of that.


I can see your not into thinking. Counter to drones is of course smartbombs. Try having a few sb battleships.. If you have a scout and you know they are coming there is this thing called a mobile depot. It does this awesome thing called refit. Its fun watching a ball of drones all go pop at the same time.
Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#28 - 2014-08-03 23:58:49 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Battleship size weapons on a HAC, yes. That I will grant you.
Cruiser tracking, no.
Compared to short range weapons, no, but they're actually pretty close to 720's, 250 rails and heavy beams.

Who put the goat in there?

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#29 - 2014-08-04 00:07:33 UTC
Milan Nantucket wrote:
Miss Twinkie wrote:
I'm sure there's 1000 of these threads, but seeing how we just got another strat op of ishtars called I'm gonna make another thread.

Pros


- Removing drone assist from the game gives a much needed nerf to the wrecking ball.
- Brings back some variation to fleets other than a domi/ishtar blob. (Yup you can fly other things, but it'll die to a good sized ishtar blob)
- Drones are still useful, just no longer the I WIN button.
- Can no longer just assist drones and take a nap.

Cons


- Can no longer just assist drones and take a nap.



Right now between the drone meta and how horrible the sov system is eve has stagnated. Removing this feature entirely fixes half of that.


I can see your not into thinking. Counter to drones is of course smartbombs. Try having a few sb battleships.. If you have a scout and you know they are coming there is this thing called a mobile depot. It does this awesome thing called refit. Its fun watching a ball of drones all go pop at the same time.


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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#30 - 2014-08-04 00:11:58 UTC
Milan Nantucket wrote:

I can see your not into thinking. Counter to drones is of course smartbombs. Try having a few sb battleships.. If you have a scout and you know they are coming there is this thing called a mobile depot. It does this awesome thing called refit. Its fun watching a ball of drones all go pop at the same time.


Because you can totally smartbomb drones that don't move.

The existence of the supposed "counter" just goes to show that sentry drones are brokenly overpowered.

And as for drone assist, I will just say this.

I can't assign guns to someone with a faster lock speed. I can't assign reps to someone with a faster lock speed. I can't assign ewar to someone with a faster lock speed. You shouldn't be able to do it with drones either, plain as that.

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Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2014-08-04 02:20:00 UTC
I'm pretty sure Ishtars would still be happy to do 700 DPS with the tracking of long-range medium guns if they had to lock up stuff and F1 it like everyone else.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#32 - 2014-08-04 04:43:27 UTC
Miss Twinkie wrote:
I'm sure there's 1000 of these threads, but seeing how we just got another strat op of ishtars called I'm gonna make another thread.

Pros


- Removing drone assist from the game gives a much needed nerf to the wrecking ball.
- Brings back some variation to fleets other than a domi/ishtar blob. (Yup you can fly other things, but it'll die to a good sized ishtar blob)
- Drones are still useful, just no longer the I WIN button.
- Can no longer just assist drones and take a nap.

Cons


- Can no longer just assist drones and take a nap.



Right now between the drone meta and how horrible the sov system is eve has stagnated. Removing this feature entirely fixes half of that.


Yes yes, I am sure we have all read the propaganda from the failed lawyer's website. No need to parrot it here like a good little peon. Sentry drones are evil, blah blah, remote rep is evil, blah blah, high sec is evil, blah blah, null sec stagnation is the result of poor game design, blah blah......

Instead, how about we remove static moon goo and replace it with randomized ore belts through 0.1 space to null sec to wh space? Oh wait, that won't work, since a significant portion of the null sec cartels' income would be no longer in their complete control, but the RNG gods would now have a hand in it.
Xavier Holtzman
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-08-04 05:31:51 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Miss Twinkie wrote:
I'm sure there's 1000 of these threads, but seeing how we just got another strat op of ishtars called I'm gonna make another thread.

Pros


- Removing drone assist from the game gives a much needed nerf to the wrecking ball.
- Brings back some variation to fleets other than a domi/ishtar blob. (Yup you can fly other things, but it'll die to a good sized ishtar blob)
- Drones are still useful, just no longer the I WIN button.
- Can no longer just assist drones and take a nap.

Cons


- Can no longer just assist drones and take a nap.



Right now between the drone meta and how horrible the sov system is eve has stagnated. Removing this feature entirely fixes half of that.


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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
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#34 - 2014-08-04 15:16:19 UTC
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