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I have a question For people that say they will never go to Null or lowsec

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Mirima Thurander
#1 - 2011-12-08 16:58:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Mirima Thurander
I have a question For people that say they will never go to Null, lowsec, or WH space and that never engage other plays i any form of social interaction.

This is not for the high sec indy or mining type of people that actively engage in interactions with other people this is a question for the people that.


A. gather large sums of isks and in turn do nothing with it

a1 - Incursion runners that do not take active rolls in any corp, pvp, play market games or Build items.( the type that don't speak and might as well be automated)

a2 - Mission runners that do not take active rolls in any corp, pvp, play market games or Build items.

a3 - Miners that do not take active rolls in any corp, pvp, play market games or Build items.

These are the people i want answers to my question from.



Why is it you play EvE if you take no larger roll in the game, (this is not a Y U NO PVP question) you gather large sums of isk but in turn do nothing with it most people have a goal while getting isk be it a new mission ship, a titan or SC, help funding a corp project, funding for playing the markets.

Is there something you do with this isk?




This question was spawned from reading a thread about removing incursions from high sec* and seeing the large amounts of people saying they will never go to lowsec or null for any reason, but don't do any thing in high sec besides farm isks.


* ( i still view the best change for high sec incursions as a reduction in raw isk pay outs and a increase in the LP pay out)

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.

Jenshae Chiroptera
#2 - 2011-12-08 17:01:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
What makes you think that living in high sec has to be cheap? Faction mods, T3 ships and so forth as examples.

Edit:

Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
High sec core players are playing the game, while choosing the safest option. It is a mindset.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
#3 - 2011-12-08 17:05:20 UTC
Take no part in the game?

You mean take no part in the game that you think they should. They're taking part in incursions, as a part of your definition... that's certainly a part of the game they're taking part in.

Your bias... it's leaking on the carpet.

Six months in the hole... it changes a man.

Captain Alcatraz
Did he say Jump
Dock Workers
#4 - 2011-12-08 17:07:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Alcatraz
Because some people would never leave the cave given the chance

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave
Cregg Neir
Doomheim
#5 - 2011-12-08 17:07:36 UTC
Question to OP: Why do you need other people to play the same way you do? Why do you need other people to tell you why they play the game their way?
Jack bubu
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-12-08 17:10:52 UTC
Cregg Neir wrote:
Question to OP: Why do you need other people to play the same way you do? Why do you need other people to tell you why they play the game their way?

maybe hes just curious?
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#7 - 2011-12-08 17:17:31 UTC
I don't know anyone like those, frankly. I've always grinded for a goal, and now that i ran out of goals I've stopped grinding. i'm actually going to pay my sub with money rather than PLEXes, don't feel like grinding for a PLEX so I can keep ginding for a PLEX.... Lol

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you

Torin Corax
Game of Roams
#8 - 2011-12-08 17:21:00 UTC
Cregg Neir wrote:
Question to OP: Why do you need other people to play the same way you do? Why do you need other people to tell you why they play the game their way?


While I think the OP could of worded the question a little differently, I'll admit to a certain curiosity on this subject.

-Is it the Isk generated that is the reward for such people? If not, what does the isk get used for?

- Does anyone actually find running the same missions over and over to be fun and/ or interesting?
(Having spent my early Eve career as a mission runner/ ratter, I find missions to be extremely boring. Possibly some of the most underdeveloped PvE content in any game I've played. The limited number of missions and entirely predictable nature of those that exist is just dull).

- Given that generating Isk through missioning lacks anything approaching a challenge for an experienced mission runner, just how satisfying/ rewarding are they? Could they be made more so in the view of a full-time missioner? (not talking isk reward here).

Not suggesting that there is anything wrong with this type of play, but having tried it myself I am curious as to the attraction of it.
Commander Spurty
#9 - 2011-12-08 17:21:51 UTC
Morbidly curious about this myself.

Imagine the train wreck if everyone in empire moved to 0.0

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

Built by CCP

Mirima Thurander
#10 - 2011-12-08 17:23:37 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
What makes you think that living in high sec has to be cheap? Faction mods, T3 ships and so forth as examples.


Yes they cost isk but after you have them, they keep grinding isks, you cant tell me they grind isk just to have more isk?


if they grind isk for PLEX its because they wish to keep playing they have a goal they want to reach, but if there goal is simply

GRIND ISK - BUY PLEX - GRIND MORE ISK BUY MORE PLEX

That just looks unhealthy.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.

Serene Repose
#11 - 2011-12-08 17:26:37 UTC
As far as I'm concerned I am playing the game. Forgive me if I think it's the height of arrogance to assume because I'm not playing it like you do, I can't be playing the game. I don't intend to list all the things I do to amuse myself in EVE so you can in the same vein as this post try to discount them one by one using your rationale. Suffice to say, I have my own rationale.

Thanks for your concern. We're having a ball in the shallow end of the pool.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

StillBorn CrackBaby
Doomheim
#12 - 2011-12-08 17:29:35 UTC
Take no part in the game? Bugger off, I do as I please with my account and I don't care if you think I have to be in null to be "taking part"...
Mirima Thurander
#13 - 2011-12-08 17:30:06 UTC
This was a long post about the way WoW keeps its subscribers addicted to the game by a means of constantly triggering the reward system of the brain and a comparison to the horrible reward system EvE uses but,


the forums happened and it was lost for ever.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.

Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2011-12-08 17:32:17 UTC
Ingvar Angst wrote:
Take no part in the game?

You mean take no part in the game that you think they should. They're taking part in incursions, as a part of your definition... that's certainly a part of the game they're taking part in.

Your bias... it's leaking on the carpet.


Agree with this. This game is many things. People need to stop assuming that their game is the only game to be played.

Don't ban me, bro!

okst666
Vision Inc
Hole Control
#15 - 2011-12-08 17:32:37 UTC
Its about numbers on the wallet... The bigger the better.
PLUS grinding mission helps to kill time between two skills.


[X] < Nail here for new monitor

Mirima Thurander
#16 - 2011-12-08 17:35:05 UTC
there i changed the wording

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.

Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
#17 - 2011-12-08 17:38:19 UTC
I would imagine the ability to have content whenever you want it. 23/7 is pretty good reason. No hostiles, no rules, just play like you want.

Waiting around for endless hours chasing the :gudfight: in lowsec/nullsec is not for everybody, nor is listening to endless whines about the red cloakers in the sanctum systems.
Rek Seven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2011-12-08 17:38:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Mirima Thurander wrote:


Why is it you play EvE if you take no part in the game, (this is not a Y U NO PVP question) you gather large sums of isk but in turn do nothing with it most people have a goal while getting isk be it a new mission ship, a titan or SC, help funding a corp project, funding for playing the markets.

Is there something you do with this isk?



Personally i don't see the benefit of moving to null. I want to be powerful and do big things in EVE and i can't just walk into a null sec corp/alliance and have any real input. I'll just be someones ***** roaming around in a massive blob ganking rifters.

The only thing that would make me check null sec out, is if territory holders could change the sec status of their systems, creating a safe passage rout for me... This i might be willing to make the journey up they're to see what it's like.

Wormhole space is where it's at!
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
#19 - 2011-12-08 17:44:11 UTC
I don't qualify to answer because I'm an industrialist, but let me hazard a guess on this one.

I went to nullsec and joined an alliance for a while about 2 or 3 years ago. What I discovered was that in order to live out there and contribute in any meaningful way to the efforts of an alliance, you have to be online playing a lot. Otherwise you miss out on things, and eventually the leaders start asking why you don't show up for OPs. Industrialists were generally disregarded (this may have changed by now or may depend on what alliance you are in). Ultimately, it isn't much fun trying to play with people who don't respect what you like to do, and when you are able to do it.

So why do some folks stick to highsec and play solo?

Probably because they play irregularly and don't want to deal with ANY drama about it in their relaxing game playing time. Imagine dealing with work hassles all day, get home and deal with your kids/pets/spouses...and when that magic moment finally comes when you have a spare hour to yourself, you have to deal with the gamers who have more freedom than you do tell you that you suck because you don't play more and help out the corp.

That's why.
Aeril Malkyre
Knights of the Ouroboros
#20 - 2011-12-08 17:48:11 UTC
-Spaceships are cool.
-Explosions are pretty.
-The thunder of guns is satisfying.
-Seeing more money coming in that going out isn't something I get to see a lot in real life :P

But mostly, I don't have the time to invest in a corp. I only play when I feel like it, and when things like Skyrim come along, I may not log in for weeks. That doesn't make me a good asset to a corp. Things like POS's require upkeep and protection, so I can't even effectively homestead my own place. I could low-sec pvp, but I don't play enough to generate the income to keep up that sort of lifestyle, since I'll probably lose a lot of ships learning.

So what is there for someone like me to do that isn't mining boring, but pays well? Mission. Content that is always there, always ready, and based on my timetable. Beholden to no one's schedule or desires but my own.

And you act like I never buy anything. Like my isk mountain just grows and grows and I sleep on it like some sort of really awesome space dragon. I buy better modules. I dump salvage into the system. I buy a crap ton of ammunition. I buy rigs and better tractors for my salvage boat. I buy scout ships for when I want to just fly around the universe for no damn reason other than to see the sights. True, I've been saving for a Machariel, so I have some wealth amassed, but I also bought a Tornado a couple days ago just because it was so sweet looking. I don't even have a use for it. But boom, 51 mill in someone's pocket.

I play the game the way I've found it works for me. No one gets to tell me whether that's right or wrong. It is mine.
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