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O'nira
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#81 - 2014-08-01 00:47:56 UTC  |  Edited by: O'nira
James Baboli wrote:
O'nira wrote:
some of the numbers in this thread seem to be exaggerated just a tad.

I can show you a 1500 DPS astarte. Not one I'd field, but 1500 DPS, with a tank fitted, and tackle, and maybe a link or 2.
Or grid-stretching sniper vultures. Call out what you think is BS and I'll go break it with a hammer until the numbers work.



please do, what does a tank fitted mean btw? does it mean it has some tank mods slapped on there or it has a realistic tank?

are you gonna link me a shield astarte maybe? may as well go talos in that case.

sorry for the late post
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#82 - 2014-08-01 08:13:55 UTC
Jonas Staal wrote:
Hi all,


Thanks again for the many opinions and different angles!

I have another question:
Since CS's are BC sized, they also have BC speed, agility and warp speed.

I read somewhere that there are implants that make them able to keep up with cruiser/hac/T3's. When I looked at the warp-speed, it appears both cruiser and BC sized ships have warp speed of 1au.

Are there any "cheapish" implants that make it somewhat more "like a cruiser"?

EDIT: Ofcourse this speed / agility difference would be a + for T3 boosters.


Nomads gives you agility - Snakes give you speed. You can use warp speed rigs as well to keep up with the fleet.

Remember this though, you may arrive late to a fight with a gang of cruisers - but they will love it when a wrecking balls arrives on grid instead of another squishy cruiser. Some people fit ranged weapons (Arty's etc.) on CS's so they can hit like a truck without chasing nano-ships around and not catching them.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#83 - 2014-08-01 08:36:34 UTC
An eos can have 2 gekos (and a heavy) that fly around at 4km/s (or more) and do 300+dps, each.

makes for a great ratting boat as well as ive found out.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
Cydelle Abraham
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2014-08-01 08:53:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Cydelle Abraham
Anize Oramara wrote:
An eos can have 2 gekos (and a heavy) that fly around at 4km/s (or more) and do 300+dps, each.

makes for a great ratting boat as well as ive found out.


Actually you would get more DPS out of your drones if you use 2 Geckos, 2 Hammerhead II's and 1 Hobgoblin II
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#85 - 2014-08-01 09:48:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Anize Oramara
Cydelle Abraham wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
An eos can have 2 gekos (and a heavy) that fly around at 4km/s (or more) and do 300+dps, each.

makes for a great ratting boat as well as ive found out.


Actually you would get more DPS out of your drones if you use 2 Geckos, 2 Hammerhead II's and 1 Hobgoblin II

50dps at all V with 4 damage amps between an ogre and hammers/hob.

less in every other situation. considering the changes to drones you'd want to look at em or explosive to exploit resist holes in pvp and do rat specific damage in pve. then there's the bonuses to heavies from the hull as well.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#86 - 2014-08-01 09:49:36 UTC
O'nira wrote:
James Baboli wrote:
O'nira wrote:
some of the numbers in this thread seem to be exaggerated just a tad.

I can show you a 1500 DPS astarte. Not one I'd field, but 1500 DPS, with a tank fitted, and tackle, and maybe a link or 2.
Or grid-stretching sniper vultures. Call out what you think is BS and I'll go break it with a hammer until the numbers work.



please do, what does a tank fitted mean btw? does it mean it has some tank mods slapped on there or it has a realistic tank?

are you gonna link me a shield astarte maybe? may as well go talos in that case.

sorry for the late post

I mean apparently 110k EHP, 1514 DPS, MWD's stably as long as you have cap charges and a low resist of 79.2.
Linky link

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Making battleships worth the warp
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#87 - 2014-08-01 10:01:58 UTC
CS are actually pretty sexy ships stat wise. Its a shame T3s and off grid boosting has marginalized them as much as they had. I think on grid boosting will be a good thing when (if) it gets implemented.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#88 - 2014-08-01 10:12:14 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:
Jonas Staal wrote:
Hi all,


Thanks again for the many opinions and different angles!

I have another question:
Since CS's are BC sized, they also have BC speed, agility and warp speed.

I read somewhere that there are implants that make them able to keep up with cruiser/hac/T3's. When I looked at the warp-speed, it appears both cruiser and BC sized ships have warp speed of 1au.

Are there any "cheapish" implants that make it somewhat more "like a cruiser"?

EDIT: Ofcourse this speed / agility difference would be a + for T3 boosters.


Nomads gives you agility - Snakes give you speed. You can use warp speed rigs as well to keep up with the fleet.

Remember this though, you may arrive late to a fight with a gang of cruisers - but they will love it when a wrecking balls arrives on grid instead of another squishy cruiser. Some people fit ranged weapons (Arty's etc.) on CS's so they can hit like a truck without chasing nano-ships around and not catching them.



Depending how far you usually travel, it is not feasible because the command ships would get alone several jumps behind and too vulnerable.

Smart enemy woudl kil them first...

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#89 - 2014-08-01 10:17:07 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Maeltstome wrote:
Jonas Staal wrote:
Hi all,


Thanks again for the many opinions and different angles!

I have another question:
Since CS's are BC sized, they also have BC speed, agility and warp speed.

I read somewhere that there are implants that make them able to keep up with cruiser/hac/T3's. When I looked at the warp-speed, it appears both cruiser and BC sized ships have warp speed of 1au.

Are there any "cheapish" implants that make it somewhat more "like a cruiser"?

EDIT: Ofcourse this speed / agility difference would be a + for T3 boosters.


Nomads gives you agility - Snakes give you speed. You can use warp speed rigs as well to keep up with the fleet.

Remember this though, you may arrive late to a fight with a gang of cruisers - but they will love it when a wrecking balls arrives on grid instead of another squishy cruiser. Some people fit ranged weapons (Arty's etc.) on CS's so they can hit like a truck without chasing nano-ships around and not catching them.



Depending how far you usually travel, it is not feasible because the command ships would get alone several jumps behind and too vulnerable.

Smart enemy woudl kil them first...

Which is why you bring some logi on your cruiser roam, and then they have a hell of a time breaking a brick of a CS, which can hit 300k EHP or 6k local tank and generally have high resist profiles and decent native buffer.
Also, CA1+2 and the rest a midgrade ascendency set will mean you only align slower, they wil slow you down in warp.

Talking more,

Flying crazier,

And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp
Ginger Barbarella
#90 - 2014-08-01 15:51:52 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:
Alexa Coates wrote:

those stats, jesus christ.

post fits for the love of spooge.


[Sleipnir, Pain and suffering]

5x 425mm AutoCannon II (Hail M)
2x Medium Energy Neutralizer II

Gistum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
2x Large Ancillary Shield Booster (Navy Cap Booster 150)
Republic Fleet Shield Boost Amplifier
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

Damage Control II
4x Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Projectile Locus Coordinator II

5x Warrior II

[Statistics - Goldiiee]

Effective HP: 68,201 (Eve: 54,339)
Tank Ability: 6,645.48 DPS
Damage Profile - (EM: 25.00%, Ex: 25.00%, Ki: 25.00%, Th: 25.00%)
Shield Resists - EM: 91.48%, Ex: 82.96%, Ki: 84.70%, Th: 86.37%
Armor Resists - EM: 91.50%, Ex: 23.50%, Ki: 36.25%, Th: 72.38%

Capacitor (Lasts 1m 36s); 4m 12s with MWD off; 9m 0s MWD on Neuts off; 90% stable of course with Neuts and MWD off

Volley Damage: 3,213.30
DPS: 1,044.15

[Implants - Missions]

Slot 1: High-grade Crystal Alpha
Slot 2: High-grade Crystal Beta
Slot 3: High-grade Crystal Gamma
Slot 4: High-grade Crystal Delta
Slot 5: High-grade Crystal Epsilon
Slot 6: High-grade Crystal Omega
Slot 7: Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Motion Prediction MR-706
Slot 8: Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Medium Projectile Turret MP-806
Slot 9: Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Surgical Strike SS-906
Slot 10: Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Large Projectile Turret LP-1006

Take into account I made a small fortune doing Incursions, then made another small fortune investing the first one in the market, this is not something you want to lose in PVP unless you have a fleet of them waiting to be boarded in Amarr.

Late Edit; these stats are with my perfect booster toon in fleet with a mindlink, without it the stats are a bit less but still impressive nonetheless.


So basically, completely unrealistic. Blink Gotcha...

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#91 - 2014-08-01 17:15:42 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:


So basically, completely unrealistic. Blink Gotcha...

I don't get it, first he didn't ask what the fit was for, or what you would use it for, he just wanted to know where the numbers came from for the, with/without boost comment.

And second, is everyone that trolls the forums poor bastards? How hard is it to save up a couple billion ISK? With the fairly easy availability of ten clones you can have one set up with cheap throw away implants or None, and 9 set up with any derivation you can think of.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#92 - 2014-08-01 17:26:16 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:
Ginger Barbarella wrote:


So basically, completely unrealistic. Blink Gotcha...

I don't get it, first he didn't ask what the fit was for, or what you would use it for, he just wanted to know where the numbers came from for the, with/without boost comment.

And second, is everyone that trolls the forums poor bastards? How hard is it to save up a couple billion ISK? With the fairly easy availability of ten clones you can have one set up with cheap throw away implants or None, and 9 set up with any derivation you can think of.

Most forum trolls are addicted to flying exactly what they can afford to replace, and aren't that great at the activities that bring in isk. Thus the amount of patience needed to build up 10-15B and bling out every pod they can jump to is considered unrealistic.

Talking more,

Flying crazier,

And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#93 - 2014-08-01 17:54:10 UTC
Actually I have billions. I also have several jump clones. I also live in a wh, so clone jumping isn't an option. There is actually quite a bit of whining in the wh section to be able to swap clones in wh. Personally I'm against that, but meh.

I'm not a troll, I'm just tired of EFTtards linking rediculous fits that don't really apply to anything. Just because I agree with the unicorn comment doesn't make me a troll. Think of me more as a voice of reason amongst a sea of EFTtards.
NIFTYGetAtMe
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#94 - 2014-08-01 18:20:49 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Actually I have billions. I also have several jump clones. I also live in a wh, so clone jumping isn't an option. There is actually quite a bit of whining in the wh section to be able to swap clones in wh. Personally I'm against that, but meh.

I'm not a troll, I'm just tired of EFTtards linking rediculous fits that don't really apply to anything. Just because I agree with the unicorn comment doesn't make me a troll. Think of me more as a voice of reason amongst a sea of EFTtards.

None of the fits here are ridiculous. If someone wants to bling their ship, why shouldn't they? Aside from the measly RF Amp and Tech 1 MWD, that Sleipnir fit is really good. Because you wouldn't fly a ship like that, it's automatically an EFTard fit? If you want the right to call an excellent blinged fit "EFTard", please start paying the sub fees of those you wish to target.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#95 - 2014-08-01 18:31:13 UTC
That's my point. Folks don't fly those ships. They just link them. So, some guy comes on here looking for some advice on command ships. Just basic information. And of course at some point and EFTtard can't help but link a unicorn. The guys just looking for advice, and his question wasn't "Could someone please link the most expensive whacked out CS fit to include an outrageous set of implants" I'm just saying folks should resist the urge to link that crap.

I've scanned a lot of mission ships. No command ships fit like that. To be honest, most sleipners are used in pvp. The mission crowd likes their BS. The incursion crowd likes their bling BS. That fit just doesn't exist out of EFTtard land.

Prove me wrong. Link me a loss mail of such a command ship. You come off like there are 3 in every mission system in eve. Link or you agree with me.
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#96 - 2014-08-01 18:32:17 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
That's my point. Folks don't fly those ships. They just link them. So, some guy comes on here looking for some advice on command ships. Just basic information. And of course at some point and EFTtard can't help but link a unicorn. The guys just looking for advice, and his question wasn't "Could someone please link the most expensive whacked out CS fit to include an outrageous set of implants" I'm just saying folks should resist the urge to link that crap.

I've scanned a lot of mission ships. No command ships fit like that. To be honest, most sleipners are used in pvp. The mission crowd likes their BS. The incursion crowd likes their bling BS. That fit just doesn't exist out of EFTtard land.

Prove me wrong. Link me a loss mail of such a command ship. You come off like there are 3 in every mission system in eve. Link or you agree with me.

And if we don't lose such ships, but rather kill and make i back to dockup safely?

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And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#97 - 2014-08-01 18:37:16 UTC
Is that the weakest counter point ever or an actual question? (this is an acutal question)
NIFTYGetAtMe
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#98 - 2014-08-01 18:40:23 UTC  |  Edited by: NIFTYGetAtMe
Serendipity Lost wrote:
That's my point. Folks don't fly those ships. They just link them. So, some guy comes on here looking for some advice on command ships. Just basic information. And of course at some point and EFTtard can't help but link a unicorn. The guys just looking for advice, and his question wasn't "Could someone please link the most expensive whacked out CS fit to include an outrageous set of implants" I'm just saying folks should resist the urge to link that crap.

I've scanned a lot of mission ships. No command ships fit like that. To be honest, most sleipners are used in pvp. The mission crowd likes their BS. The incursion crowd likes their bling BS. That fit just doesn't exist out of EFTtard land.

Prove me wrong. Link me a loss mail of such a command ship. You come off like there are 3 in every mission system in eve. Link or you agree with me.

No, I come off like thinking some people like to fly blinged PvP ships. Thinking I come off like everyone flys them like that is a real stretch. A troll stretch if you ask me. What do loss-mails have to do with this anyway? Let's try to keep the thread open to continue real discussion about Command Ships. Seems like your trying to get the thread locked.

"That Bling fit is EFTarded"

"No dude, it's really good fit even if you wouldn't pimp a ship"

"Dude, you just said there is 3 pimped Sleipnirs in every system in the game. Dude, how could you think that? Link a loss-mail or you must agree with me cuz troll"
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#99 - 2014-08-01 20:36:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Goldiiee
Serendipity Lost wrote:
..

I fly 4 of them, slightly different setup for each but essentially the same 3k to 6k tank, one on each account. As you said, you found one loss mail (got away from the gate and couldn't get back and lost it in a 7 to 1 fight with them having logi support).

After I broke the 100bil mark I started setting up pirate clones for each account (Slave and Crystal to start) and of course a Min-Max for Incursions, Missions and Epic Arcs, and of course the reliable blank clone for Roams and risky work. The fact that I haven't lost a ship or pod on this toon in several years has little to do with me not Risking and more to do with Me not being stupid.

But I am sure you still think 'no KB, no Love', you don't play the same game I do, if you did you would cry yourself to sleep at night for being so bad at it. I check my wallet for changes of billions each day, and I look for my fights with care and planning so as to always know the outcome before the first step.

So the idea that they don't exist and couldn't happen is simply a delusion or lack of imagination on your part, perhaps you shouldn't restrict the dreams and aspirations of new pilots with your own limitations.

Edited;

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#100 - 2014-08-02 00:06:07 UTC
James Baboli wrote:
O'nira wrote:
James Baboli wrote:
O'nira wrote:
some of the numbers in this thread seem to be exaggerated just a tad.

I can show you a 1500 DPS astarte. Not one I'd field, but 1500 DPS, with a tank fitted, and tackle, and maybe a link or 2.
Or grid-stretching sniper vultures. Call out what you think is BS and I'll go break it with a hammer until the numbers work.



please do, what does a tank fitted mean btw? does it mean it has some tank mods slapped on there or it has a realistic tank?

are you gonna link me a shield astarte maybe? may as well go talos in that case.

sorry for the late post

I mean apparently 110k EHP, 1514 DPS, MWD's stably as long as you have cap charges and a low resist of 79.2.
Linky link



Sure. lets spend 3.3 BILLION ISK on a command ship.

P.s. that price doesn't include the implants - its over 5.5 Billion with implants. EFT Warriors need to start using PYFA - nice features include: MODULE COSTS.