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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Abaddons One
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1201 - 2011-12-07 23:12:38 UTC
arcca jeth wrote:
Abaddons One wrote:
tl:dr

<- doesn't care about WiS....why would I walk around an empty station...or a station with everyone just standing around not doing anything? Been in systems with 100+ in local...not 1 is talking...you want WiS? How about getting your local system active again, and no, spamming contracts doesnt count.


you are making the assumption that it would be empty and that everyone would just be standing around which is based off of only your perception of what WIS could be or mean for the game. which means you have either no imagination or a very limited one.


I have a very broad perception about WiS actually.


However, WiS is, and has always been since it's announcement, a means for socializing. If you are in a system that either:

A. Has no one in local
or
B. Has plenty of people in local but absolutely no one talks to eachother accept for the repetative contract spamming

then all you are going to get is WiS with nothing to do...at most I could see (in the near future at least) actually walking up to your agent to get a mission...but then personally, that's a waste of time.
PhantomTrojan
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1202 - 2011-12-07 23:15:08 UTC
ccp didnt even espent time making content for incarna, I myself e as a beginner in modeling and animation, am capable of making what they did in under 6 months a couple of hours a day, not with the same level of optimization because i suck at that but if i can do it, why a whole team of professional designers cant do it better and faster?.
Abaddons One
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1203 - 2011-12-07 23:16:52 UTC
PhantomTrojan wrote:
ccp didnt even espent time making content for incarna, I myself e as a beginner in modeling and animation, am capable of making what they did in under 6 months a couple of hours a day, not with the same level of optimization because i suck at that but if i can do it, why a whole team of professional designers cant do it better and faster?.


Because EVE is all modeling and animation... Roll
Sarion Stormweaver
Spectrum Solutions INC
#1204 - 2011-12-07 23:25:43 UTC
PhantomTrojan wrote:
ccp didnt even espent time making content for incarna, I myself e as a beginner in modeling and animation, am capable of making what they did in under 6 months a couple of hours a day, not with the same level of optimization because i suck at that but if i can do it, why a whole team of professional designers cant do it better and faster?.


Because it's not about only 4 Captain Quarters only, and some costumes. It's more about building the base structure that allows further development. The hardest thing to do is to start changing present things in order to implement future development. Therefore it's all about getting the core right, and anticipating as many features as possible from the start, even if you don't put them in NOW.

or at least the only explanation that makes sense, from a programming/developing point of view.
Flamespar
WarRavens
#1205 - 2011-12-07 23:59:59 UTC
Dearest CCP, please grant us some info on the future of Incarna.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#1206 - 2011-12-08 00:00:59 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Incarna, like this thread and its many supporters desperate for it, should be euthanized. It would be humane and the most merciful thing to do.



to get your brain back ...................that way ----------------->



EVE Online, without Incarna is straight ahead. Second Life is to your left.




Not straight ahead ,but backwards in my opinion.
Nowadays there is a nice button in EvE where you can choose between shipspinning and CQ(and hopefully some WIS in the future)
Search for it and try that button,maybe you feel happier and don,t want people to be euthanized for their own opninion

R.S.I2014
Taiwanistan
#1207 - 2011-12-08 00:46:37 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
Can you imagine what EVE would be like if all the whiners that dismiss Incarna as 'visual fluff', had their way?

We wouldn't have the trinity graphics engine, revamped planets, V3 textures, new warp effects, ship trails, new turrets, new shadows, new character creater, updated ship models, new weapon effects, revamped asteroid models.

Just to name a few.

All of these things enhance gameplay, even though they could be classified as 'visual fluff'.


yeah it's for the FIS gameplay master plan, we want it and allow it, that is why
but no spacebarbies no don't insult me by mention that scumjob in the same sentence, don't use bad examples
again i see posts saying eve needs a web 2.3 social network framework because "eve is stagnant"
pretty pathetic when the incarna lovers here are mostly 3 alt corps and 2 corp alliances
all you people are solo but want to be social and /emoting but how do you social when you are solo-ing
look at evegate spacebook, the devs said hey this is the new social thing! we must have it, who's using it now? worthless (hey look i tacked on a bad example, like you, don't do it)

again explain to me how /emotes enhances gameplay?

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#1208 - 2011-12-08 00:52:32 UTC  |  Edited by: oldbutfeelingyoung
Taiwanistan wrote:
Flamespar wrote:
Can you imagine what EVE would be like if all the whiners that dismiss Incarna as 'visual fluff', had their way?

We wouldn't have the trinity graphics engine, revamped planets, V3 textures, new warp effects, ship trails, new turrets, new shadows, new character creater, updated ship models, new weapon effects, revamped asteroid models.

Just to name a few.

All of these things enhance gameplay, even though they could be classified as 'visual fluff'.


yeah it's for the FIS gameplay master plan, we want it and allow it, that is why
but no spacebarbies no don't insult me by mention that scumjob in the same sentence, don't use bad examples
again i see posts saying eve needs a web 2.3 social network framework because "eve is stagnant"
pretty pathetic when the incarna lovers here are mostly 3 alt corps and 2 corp alliances
all you people are solo but want to be social and /emoting but how do you social when you are solo-ing
look at evegate spacebook, the devs said hey this is the new social thing! we must have it, who's using it now? worthless (hey look i tacked on a bad example, like you, don't do it)

again explain to me how /emotes enhances gameplay?



it doesn,t have to enhance your gameplay,but maybe for others it will(if something meaningfull is done with WIS)

About always the same incarnalovers you are talking about,i believe that goes the same for the WIShaters here
And we don,t talk about Incarna,only talking about WIS

R.S.I2014
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1209 - 2011-12-08 01:22:31 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:


again explain to me how /emotes enhances gameplay?


And here i thought smack-talk is your best feature... Or other peoples too. ..
Its actually same as /emotes ... so go figure it out
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#1210 - 2011-12-08 02:12:20 UTC
Midnight Hope wrote:
Taius Pax wrote:
Psychophantic wrote:
It's obvious WiS is popular.

Look at the numbers for June and Incarna and compare them to current Crucible numbers. Incarna attracted a lot more attention.



Incarna's what caused that huge drop in subscriptions. The community backlash against Incarna was so bad and subscription losses substantial enough they had to lay people off and practically shelve development on their other MMO - World of Darkness.

I think the message was pretty clear.



You are right, Incarna sucked, but Incarna was not WiS. Equating them is a mistake.
Even from the WiS perpective, Incarna sucked. The backlash was because of the lack of content (only one CQ with the door closed), gameplay and the NEX-T-2-useless Store.

I, for one, want to get more WiS. CCP has to find the right balance or FiS and WiS in each expansion.
I would love to explore an abandoned BS or Space Station. I would love to hang out in my Corp lounge/offices. I would like to stroll down Jita promenade.


Midnight, excellent ideas!!! CCP hire this person immediately!

Issler
Flamespar
WarRavens
#1211 - 2011-12-08 04:39:48 UTC
I've started a thread in the Assembly hall, asking that the CSM ask CCP to clarify the future of Incarna given Hilmar's conflicting comments.

I'm very specific that we're just wanting clarification on the future of Incarna over the next 12 months, not that it take precendence over any particular feature.

Please check it out and give support.
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#1212 - 2011-12-08 05:22:51 UTC
Reconfirming that Kuronaga likes WIS.

It is not the reason he was shooting at statues, in case CCP is having trouble figuring that out.
Adamonus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1213 - 2011-12-08 07:50:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Adamonus
what?,

WIS has a problem if more than 2-3 People would walk together in a station??? Is that information right?

WHAT is C.A.R.B.O.N. then ??? A marketing-GAG?


DTH, SIT DOWN and work it out omg!!

- Where is that crazy CAPTAIN CARBON from the FANFEST-video 2011??

- Give him his costume and a new soundmachine...Hilmar has a new opportunity now to make his community happy here again.

- Also want to know what happened to the CQ guy....CCP Chilliad? Silent overall...thats not good...not good.


Solve problems - and stop creating new ones (Summer-leak)


CAPTAIN C.A.R.B.O.N. FTW !!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaT9Z2zxPu0

Minute: 29:24

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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#1214 - 2011-12-08 08:25:08 UTC
I'm still waiting on the ability to dress my Jita alt up as a whore. Your move CCP.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#1215 - 2011-12-08 10:02:27 UTC
Doh, CSM meeting news:

Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
Just a quick report on events at day 1:

Opening Meeting: Discussed the ongoing reorganization of CCP, designed to make the company better able to deliver what customers want. This means more a focus on spaceships that look good before, during and after they blow up.


Not a very promising start. Roll

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Psychophantic
#1216 - 2011-12-08 12:56:06 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
This means more a focus on spaceships that look good before, during and after they blow up


Damn those WiS hatin FiS'ers getting what they want.

Maybe we all need to split up into three camps, WiS, FiS and PiS. Pixels in space.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1217 - 2011-12-08 13:04:36 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Doh, CSM meeting news:

Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
Just a quick report on events at day 1:

Opening Meeting: Discussed the ongoing reorganization of CCP, designed to make the company better able to deliver what customers want. This means more a focus on spaceships that look good before, during and after they blow up.


Not a very promising start. Roll


Where is this quote taken from?

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1218 - 2011-12-08 13:14:13 UTC
Exotic dancers.
Now.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#1219 - 2011-12-08 13:34:53 UTC
CARBON is basically rewritting of eve from original code, which is why every forefront feature was an addon not an improvement they made an estimate that carbon would take 18 months to completely rewrite 6 years of eve and sure enough it just about did require that much.

Dust 514's CPM 1 Iron Wolf Saber Eve mail me about Dust 514 issues.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#1220 - 2011-12-08 13:39:39 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Doh, CSM meeting news:

Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
Just a quick report on events at day 1:

Opening Meeting: Discussed the ongoing reorganization of CCP, designed to make the company better able to deliver what customers want. This means more a focus on spaceships that look good before, during and after they blow up.


Not a very promising start. Roll

CCP ignored FiS for WiS for 2 years. Subscriptions started to dwindle, people were pissed on the forums. CCP regained focus on WiS, subscriptions started going back up, people were less pissed on the forums.

Gee, I wonder why they're keeping at least some focus on FiS.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat