Player Features and Ideas Discussion

i hope part of metacide will be manufacturable meta weapons.

Who says that the metas are going to be worthless ? The usability and market will decide that.
And every missioner/ratter dropping the metas on the amrket is also a myth, I reprocess almost everything anyway, cause I can't be bothered with the trouble. Around 90-95%of the loot is reprocess rubbish anyway (atm). That might change, so you can't say yet if its gonna be worthless or not. Maybe the loot can't keep up with popular ones .. who knows.

That's just against your basis for arguing. I am actually nor sure if I like the suggestion or not. Though I find less loot quite intriguing, I find selling BPC more troublesome then reprocessing all my loot for once. I am for instance stuck with all BPC T1 and T2 that I have found so far ... they collect dust in a corp hangar somewhere. Setting up and waiting for contracts is just annoying. Maybe I just trash them. - So much for BPC loot.

i honestly don't know what they'd do to the prices.

meta-cide should improve values of meta items across the board (except maybe fittings saver items), and many meta items could be sold on the market for more than their mineral amounts pre reprocess nerf anyways.

i do like the idea of looting damaged weapons though and the idea of using their parts to repair/modify other weapons, which is essentially what meta items are.

*flash backs of fallout* :)

eliminating missions you would also eliminate most players that like to play missions.
you really think you can force people to like what you like by removing what they are liking?

Aeh - No.
If you remove mission, remove incursion, remove ratting, remove plexing, remove any other pve content, good job for forced gameplay. That's a reason for me to unsub, right now. Thread successful derailed

@ OP, yes, I am being lazy, cause I see no sense in trying to get 10-15% more profit from 5% of my income for about 20% waste of total time. All this 'can I haz sell-all button' for 20.000 items worth 2.4 million total. Reprocess (or even trash) is the only right solution.
This might change with the new overhaul, but I doubt it (unless; see below), cause its not only due to reprocess waste but also due to high m3 low value realtions and hauling the stuff to the right places. Meta 1-3 Mission loot is low and can stay that way - and in the future ... we'll see.
I would rahter promote changes like and to the exploration towers. Got loot that is worth something or it's empty (and despawns unhacked). And only little loot items, but more valuable, which we might get with the changes (less drops, but each meta worth something), but BPC, please no.

It isn't just Meta modules, it's NPC loot in general that needs a pass.

- Metal Scraps had a base of 500 trit and seemed to be the way CCP wanted us to ship large volumes of Trit if we were inclined to. That has been weakened with the new system. 275 is the new base cap with Scrap metal processing to 5. Considering the weight they still pack a punch in trit transport that makes everything else look small. You could put enough trit in a Bestower to build a titan if you could get that many metal scraps together.

- Meta Modules increase research chance and much like perfect refine was, you don't need meta 4 to get to 100% on any T2 Module with a meta version. Even with .55 prices though, most meta modules added to a T2 BPC eliminates the minimal margin created in T2 by T2 BPO's. There is nothing CCP can do here.
Often the Meta 4 is 25% of what the T2 is in price and while the difference is 1.1 or 1.098 on many of them, people still use T2 for the minimal bonus it gives.

Then there are dog tags that never had a real use.
-One time empire faction runs for line tags, no use at all for most commander tags and complicated shopping list uses for select Officer tags in the LP store but they invented new versions of tags every time they introduced content around tags. For some reason, CCP don't want to deal with the Dog Tags in the game. They feel anything the introduce needs to be super rare and over priced out of the gate, then drop in price over time. If they use the current Dog tag loot they will get the opposite effect, just like they did with Guristas Brass tag. They once sold for 5K ISK, now they sell for 12 million ISK. I don't know if they are scared of wealth shifting or if they don't think anything they create from them will ever get used up but they have kicked it down the road for 10 years and I don't see them ever dealing with it.

It's too bad. Loot discovery was one of the things that grabbed me in EVE and it has been burned off over the years and is no longer an adventure. It's one of the things I truly miss in EVE.

Thought I would add my 5 cents worth...

When I am bored I occasionally duck out to a asteroid belt or scan down signatures or warp to an anomaly and kill rats. I am OK with NPC ships kills dropping modules I am however amazed at the loot that is dropped.

I am not saying it needs to be buffed, but changed to reflect the rolls of the ships that you kill. I don’t know how many times I kill a rat and a Excel Mining Laser drops.

So lets take a look at what loot is dropped and make it relevant for the ship that is destroyed and its role within the NPC fleet.

NPC Miners

Lastly you never see any NPC rats mining. So lets create a NPC mining ship that mines ore like every other ship. There could be a NPC venture mining low sec belts or cosmic anomalies and a mining barge in 0.0 space. Therefore protecting these mining fleets or single ships appropriate protection from NPC ships would also be present.