EVE New Citizens Q&A

im not sure of a good condor fit, ive never flown a condor. but i can try and give a tip for combat.

you can use the 'look at' function to look at the enemy ship before you engage. you can use this to try and recognise if thier ship is fit for long range or close range and plan accordingly.

For example your in your condor and happen across an incursus who u want to fight. do you charge in and orbit close or do you keep at range?

The blaster incursus can have over 200dps with implants at very short range with excellent tracking . So its very dangerous if it gets on top of you but if u can keep your distance it will barely hurt u.

The rail incursus on the other hand will have lower dps but will hit you easily at longer range.. Rails have worse tracking than blasters so your best bet against a rail ship is t o orbit them close.

By looking at the ship and knowing what rails look like and what blasters look like you can decide on what range you want to engage your opponent at.

Range control is extremely imprtant in pvp as you may already realise.

Thanks guys, looks like I have to learn what each type of weapon looks like.

What about lasers/missiles/rockets

Is there a site where it tells me which ships generally fit what type of weapons?

Also what about versing a frigate that just uses drones? Do I kill the drones?

You'll usually fit the weapons based on the bonuses of the ship you are flying (or know what your opponent will be using based on their ship's bonuses). General rules are:

Amarr - Lasers, with a few drone/missile ships
Caldari - Missiles and Hybrids
Gallente - Hybrids and Drones
Minmatar - Projectiles, with a few missile ships

Of course that isn't set in stone.

How you approach targets really depends on your fit, their fit, engagement ranges, etc. You specifically asked about drones, and it really depends on what kind of ship it is. An Incursus only has a drone bay/bandwidth for one light drone, but the ship has bonuses to hybrid weapons. I would be much more worried about the guns than a one single drone. Now, if it happens to be a Target Jammer Drone, you may want to clear it off the field or it could be a royal pain to deal with. If you come across, say, a Tristan, drones can be a primary weapon system for the ship, and you could try to clear them off field quickly, leaving the Tristan's DPS crippled and be able to take it on without breaking a sweat.

Of course, these are all just vague general instances. Real fights are a much more different experience. You can theorycraft all you want, but putting it into practice can be a whole other obstacle to overcome.

I'm not saying you have to memorize every detail of every ship. Keeping study guides on your desk and referencing websites any time you get into a fight. A lot of that knowledge is learned just by playing the game. But if you get a basic understanding of ship capabilities, how damage application works, what things need to take priority in a fight, etc, you will already have a solid foundation for a future of blowing ships up.

I've never flown a Condor but....

I would fit Light Missile Launchers (LMLs). Use the Condor's speed to your advantage. Rockets are very short range, where Light Missile can hit out quite far and apply their damage to small ships very well. The cycle (firing) time is high on standard Light Missile Launchers (as opposed to Rapid Light Missile Launchers, ie RLMLs), but should work well for what you need.

Raw DPS is just a number in EVE. The number doesn't mean anything unless it is actually applied to the target. Lets start with turret based weapons. (all specific info is in the info tab of a module if you want to compare numbers).

Turret weapons have tracking. Essentially it means whether or not a turret will be able to move fast enough to fire at a target. The smaller, and faster a ship is, it harder it is to hit for turrets. In addition to having their base tracking number, skills, modules, and ammunition types can affect the tracking for turrets. As well as optimal range, fall-off range, type of damage dealt, etc. If a ship is small and fast, turrets will constantly miss, or at the very least apply less damage. Where a large, slow ship will take the full amount of applicable damage. 1000 DPS is nothing if you can hit the target!

See here and click through the animation to see information of damage, falloff, tracking, etc.

Now missile systems apply their damage in another way. Missiles do not use tracking to apply damage, but rather have explosion radius (how wide the explosion is), and explosion velocity (how fast the explosion is). Damage is calculated against a target based on your missiles explosion radius/velocity, compared to their signature radius (how large their ship is), and speed.

Now, to get an understanding of how to mitigate damage, you need to understand the difference between Microwarp Drives (MWDs), and Afterburners (ABs). Afterburners increase your speed a fair amount, while generally using less capacitor, but your signature size remains the same. Thus using an AB against someone shooting missiles, or turret weapons, will help you take less damage. Now a MWD will GREATLY increase your speed, but if you look on your fitting window, you'll notice once your MWD is active, your signature radius is HUGE!! Without getting into various scenarios and introducing variables, this can actually make you take MORE damage (sometimes yes, sometimes no, like everything in EVE, the answer is "It Depends"). Some ships, like Interceptors, or Assault Frigates, will have a bonus that reduces their MWD signature radius bloom by 50% which can help out a ton when using MWDs.

So, moving on from applying and mitigating damage, you have utility. Generally utility type modules go into your mid-slots.

A warp disruptor (aka "long point") is a module that prevents your target from warping off. It has a warp disruption strength of +1. A warp scrambler (aka "short point") provides the same functionality, but has a warp disruption strength of +2. The different being that warp scramblers will shut down an opponents MWD, where a warp disruptor will not (also Microjump drives, but I wouldn't worry about those just yet). Warp disruptors also have over twice the distance as a warp scrambler. So as a kiter, you would want to keep your target on the field, but not get so close that they could hit you. Thus a warp disruptor would be the better way to go.

So moving on to tracking or sensor disruption. A tracking disruptor module will essentially disrupt an opponents turrets so that they will have a harder time hitting you. Based on the script that is loaded into it (tracking, or optimal, they load like ammo), you can change between whether you disrupt the tracking of their turrets, or how far out their optimal range is. The Sensor disruptor can mess with their targets (again, based on scripts loaded) to either make them take a lot longer to target you, or decrease their targeting range.

Finally, the web. When kiting, you will most likely have your MWD on, playing to the advantage of the Condor's speed. Orbiting a target and using your tracking or sensor disruption to prevent them from hitting you, but you still don't want them to get close! A web is handy that if a target does get close enough, you can try to web them, and coast out of their range. Or at the very least try to control the distance of a fight so you take less damage.

In terms of the lows, Damage control modules are generally used because they give a big buff to EHP (Effective hit points), and you could fit the other lowslot with a ballistic control system to increase your damage output.


Aaaannnddd thats probably the longest post I've ever written on Q&A. If you'd like to know more, some googling and youtube video searches will yield a ton of results to go through.

just remember its a game of rock paper scissors

one fit wont win you every fight.

Good post. Most of OPs questions were covered, but a few things.

-The site that Azda linked has a great article on different weapon systems which can give you a feel for what you are up against
-If you would like to use rockets, take a look at the Kestrel which uses similar skills to the Condor. The Breacher is also a fantastic rocket ship if you don't mind cross-training a bit. This will require you to fit more tank and is a very different style of fighting.
-Even in a missile ship it's important to understand turret tracking (so you can avoid damage from turret ships). Take a look at this video which explains it quite well.

I prefer nano's over overdrives. Makes me less prone to losing point. Also a condor has 3 missile slots.

One thing I fit with my condors is to fit a buffer tank on it so that it has a wider engagement range especially against drone boats.

Yeah Condors are cheap and so is your life. Try various fits, I'd personally be caught off guard a little if a Condor would start to brawl me down with rockets. It all comes down to creating the oppurtunity for your fit to shine.