Crime & Punishment

My response was to LUCAS, whom keeps insisting that the point of AWOXing is to kill new players. I "get it" just fine. Nothing is preventing those players from forming their own corps.

Lol, conceded.



Sick burn? Ill just dismiss this. You dont know me, and I dont know you, so that is a pretty pointless thing to say. If you really wish to judge someone's intellectual prowess based on the content of their internet spaceship forum postings, I could argue that your sentence structure and horrible spelling imply that your are intellectually inferior. But I wont.

Of course not, but you expect players to be wary of others in null sec, even if they are blue. Unless you know that person and believe you are safe around them, you should be very cautious if they warp to you. And even more so if they had to scan you down to do it. And you should be EXTREMELY cautious about unfamiliar corp members who want to mine or run missions with you. But again, that is true everywhere, not just in null sec.

And what about ransoming? It's pretty hard to ransom someone if you'll get blown sky high by concord before you even have time to demand isk from him.


If that happens then said player should find a new corp anyways as said CEO is obviously not cut out for the job. Or at least his recruiters aren't assuming he doesn't do his own recruiting. Your argument still falls flat as your claim is essentially that "anyone should be able to run a successful large corporation even if they are terrible at it. And CCP should protect their corp members from the CEO's awfulness." Obviously I doubt you would actually agree with that statement, but perhaps you can see that it is actually a reasonable prediction of what would happen.

At the end of the day I have a few points on this topic:
1) Awoxing happens, but I think you believe it happens more than it actually does.
2) Many players chose to remain in NPC corporations for a variety of reasons, but I think you overestimate for how many of those people the primary reason is awoxing.
3) Corp mechanics in general suck, and need improvement. Once that happens I believe many people will actually come out of their NPC hidey holes.
4) Neutral Logi is the broken part of awoxing, not corp aggression.
5) I sincerely believe that the removal of corp aggression would have next to zero effect on NPC corp membership numbers.
6) You have yourself claimed, and repeated, that you are NOT invested in high sec, and are not particularly active there, and as such I do not see you as an authority figure on the subject. I, for instance, would not feel the need to make suggestions on Sovereignty, force projection, or Super Cap balance issues. I might review other peoples suggestions and provide my feedback, but I do not have nearly enough experience with any of those things, as I am not invested in them. If you were a high ranking member of a prominent high sec organization then I would be much more inclined to consider your recommendations. Please recognize that I mean absolutely no disrespect by this.

That is pretty much a null only problem, maybe wormholes, most high sec players keep all ships visible on overview, and those who do not should know enough to have an overview tab which does show everyone. If anyone anywhere in the game loses a shiny ship because they couldn't see the blue that was about to tackle them, I'll have no sympathies.

And there's the rub. Really the biggest and best solution would be to actually make being in a corporation meaningful and beneficial. If you can manage that then the potential risk of maybe your recruiters getting tricked into letting in a potential awoxer might be worth it for more players. Even with the terrible corp mechanics we have now many people do make use of corporations, some do so badly, and others do so well.

Explain to me why that should not be the case in High Sec as well? This is Eve.

Personally I would only agree to seeing huge penalties on NPC corps AFTER player corps get reworked and shown to be successful in drawing in players who used to be solo and giving them a reason to play with others. Once that was done and proven to be successful, THEN I would like to see forum posting limitations, higher taxes (I think %50 is unreasonable, but others disagree) and so forth. Till then I would not support any changes to NPC corporations or their mechanics.

2003.

If there are benefits to being in a corporation, everyone would benefit from them. That's not carebear entitlement that's improved game mechanics. So no, us criminal types would not be opposed to improved corp mechanis. Unless you're assuming that corp improvements would be purely focused on improving gameplay for carebears, but that would just be stupid and terrible.

People can be drowned out in neuts in any sec status, so that argument doesn't stand up. An awoxer in nullsec would also live in their targets environment, in fact there would likely be far less traveling involved to get to your target as null corps typical stay localized to a particular area, or at worst a region, but with jump bridges, that's nothing. "Players are often newer", here you are with that again. I don't think I've ever met an awoxer that targets new players, they just have nothing to offer. Besides, you'll find plenty of newish players in null sec. All in all I'm not buying your argument here at all.

I would argue that %100 increasing reward would be the way to go. The risks are fine. I don't spend all my time engaged in criminal activity and I have yet to suffer from corp theft or awoxing. You just have to be careful and paranoid.

Newer players don't have Orcas and Mackinaws and faction battleships to awox. Very few people, except those still testing out their methods, take the time and effort to awox people with retrievers and ventures.

Those people you can just gank.

New players are not anywhere close to as effected by this as you would like to claim. It does not dissuade people from letting new players join their corps (I do this all the time). And it's not worth getting into their corp to kill them, they don't have anything worth a good killmail.





You mistake where the problem is.

The problem is that you can get just about everything in an NPC corp that you can in a player corp. The problem is that you can "play alone and get all the rewards" in the first place.

If people shy away that hard from any potential loss, EVE Online should not reward them in the same measure as those who do accept risk. The simple fact of the matter is that NPC corps offer too many benefits.

I think I misspoke on that point. I don't mean a %100 increase in the rewards, I just mean the changes being allocated %100 towards rewards and none to drawbacks/increased risk. I believe corps offer sufficient risk, but do not provide sufficient benefit.

If they can't take it and learn from it then they would have left at some point or another for some other reason. Maybe they would have been scammed in Jita and rage quit anyways. Eve does have a new player retention problem, but you will never convince me that the primary source of that is awoxing.

Looks like the OP used the newly gained knowledge - that aggressing corp members is legal - thee days ago