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Automatic Wormhole Locator for w-space POS

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Ryan Leonard Thorne
Pointed Sticks Improvement Inc.
#1 - 2014-07-27 13:52:25 UTC
Hi!

Some days ago I had an idea that would make things a little bit easier for corps that use w-space.

So far you always need to have someone in w-space who can scan down the exit, use it and create a new corp bookmark after the wh collapsed and respawned somewhere else in k-space. That means that other corp members can't access "their" w-space without scanning down signatures in hundreds of systems if those players in w-space aren't online after the wh collapsed.

So I was thinking about something like an "automatic wormhole locator", that can be deployed next to a control tower in w-space and automatically adds new wormhole location in k-space to corp locations every time the entrance/exit in/to k-space collapsed. So nobody would need to stay in w-space all the time and w-space is accessible for all other corp members all the time without having to rely on someone updating location from time to time.

For those who need some "realistic" scenario: AWL monitors wormhole signature from inside w-space, if signature has gone it sends scanner probes to find it again, then sends one scanner probe through wh to see what system is in k-space and then sends that location to corp.

To make things not too easy, that device could be loaded with normal scanner probes and must be reloadad from time to time because that one probe that goes through the wormhole to k-space will not be able to return.

Good idea? Bad idea? Blink
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#2 - 2014-07-27 14:01:19 UTC
I dislike this idea. Free information is not something you should be given in wormhole space.
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#3 - 2014-07-27 14:08:16 UTC
Bad idea is bad. Things like that are supposed to be a chore, this is why you make the big isk.

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Making battleships worth the warp

Ryan Leonard Thorne
Pointed Sticks Improvement Inc.
#4 - 2014-07-27 14:08:31 UTC
It's not meant to be "free". A deployable structure that has to be bought and maintained and that also needs a certain amount of energy from POS.
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#5 - 2014-07-27 14:13:52 UTC
Ryan Leonard Thorne wrote:
It's not meant to be "free". A deployable structure that has to be bought and maintained and that also needs a certain amount of energy from POS.

Effort free. in the higher end whs, any reasonable cost for the module is trivial.
Also lacking is any method of getting the intel from such a structure.

Talking more,

Flying crazier,

And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp

Bohneik Itohn
10.K
#6 - 2014-07-27 14:19:21 UTC
Absolutely not.

The majority of WH residents want to make it harder to find new connections when they appear, not easier, and they have good reasons for doing so.

Probing isn't hard, and WH's aren't meant for permanent residence.

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Daoden
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-07-27 16:37:58 UTC
The rule for my corp is this. If you want unlimited access to the WH even when I'm not online to scan it down, train a scanning alt. If you don't agree to that to bad.
Carlos Agathon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-07-27 18:09:24 UTC
Carebears and their funny ideas. No, this will never happen. You can say it isn't free, but it kind of is. Also, what about new wormhole connections spawning with evil gankers on the other side? I suppose you want the structure to instantly scan those down when the sig appears and create a bookmark so you can instantly warp to new wormholes right?

Effort and risk is the price you pay for living in wormhole space.
Kaerakh
Obscure Joke Implied
#9 - 2014-07-27 18:18:35 UTC
The responses to the OP make me feel like there's hope for EVE. You're all too much. I need a moment to myself.


As for the OP, absolutely not. Wspace is supposed to be some of the riskiest space in all of EVE. Not being able to find your way back home is one of those risks. Deal with it.
Swiftstrike1
Swiftstrike Incorporated
#10 - 2014-07-27 18:38:32 UTC
I want to say "stop being bad and train a scanning alt", but I would love to read stories about corps that all went to k-space thinking their new POS module would let them back in again... only to find some other corp had come in and incapped it

Casual Incursion runner & Faction Warfare grunt, ex-Wormholer, ex-Nullbear.

epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#11 - 2014-07-27 21:01:48 UTC
Lets just all agree that it is a seriously bad Idea, and pray to bob that CCP Never ever see it.............

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE

Saisin
Chao3's Rogue Operatives Corp
#12 - 2014-07-27 21:36:28 UTC
Not a good idea IMHO...
Losing access to a WH, as well as keeping up with scanning exit and entrances, is one of the big risk of living in WH space, and should remain so....

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Ryan Leonard Thorne
Pointed Sticks Improvement Inc.
#13 - 2014-07-27 21:48:38 UTC
Carlos Agathon wrote:
Also, what about new wormhole connections spawning with evil gankers on the other side? I suppose you want the structure to instantly scan those down when the sig appears and create a bookmark so you can instantly warp to new wormholes right?


Absolutely. And I also want blue sky, white clouds, palm trees, meditative background sounds and local working like in k-space. And of course you should be able to kill all sleepers, get all ore and gas clouds with only one simple mouse click on a big flower-shaped button while you are on the k-space side of the wormhole so you don't have to enter. And some unicorns and rainbows would also be very nice. Roll


Can somebody explain to me what in w-space gets less dangerous or risky by having constant access to the entrance location?
Alundil
Rolled Out
#14 - 2014-07-27 22:50:13 UTC
Absolutely not. No.
Ryan Leonard Thorne wrote:

Can somebody explain to me what in w-space gets less dangerous or risky by having constant access to the entrance location?


In wspace PvP - podding combatants back to kspace is one of the methods of gaining, and keeping, control of a system and hole control.

If that person/corp/alliance who just took the pod express had a mod/deployable/etc that always broadcast to them where the k-space entrance was then they have an easier (read: less dangerous/risky/difficult) chance of getting back into that same system regardless of how many times an attacker rolls the hole on them. This is not a great idea. Sorry.

I'm right behind you

Bohneik Itohn
10.K
#15 - 2014-07-27 22:57:39 UTC
As mentioned: hostiles.

The common knee-jerk reaction when a new sig appears is to head back to the POS so that you don't get caught in your ratting ships. Some inhabitants are pretty quick about this, and they're also pretty quick about having a scanning alt to pin down the new sig and get eyes on it to make sure no one slips in unnoticed. You wish to remove the 15-30 seconds it takes for that scanning alt to find the new WH when it's already extremely easy for people to just hole up and log off for the night and let the POS stare the enemy down instead of defending their territory. Since no one stays neighbors for long, there is little motivation to put it into reinforcement and/or evict people who just run away from the responsibility they accepted by choosing to live in a hostile and isolated environment.

When WHers are actively hunting, the advantage of being able to slip a couple ships in unnoticed during the first few moments a new WH is opened is essential to finding out whether you've found your prey, whether your prey has smelled you out and ran, or whether you are the prey tonight.

This POS fixture would just guarantee that the prey always gets away.

Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!  - Freyya

Are you a forum alt? Have you ever wondered why your experience on the forums is always so frustrating and unrewarding? This may help.

Ryan Leonard Thorne
Pointed Sticks Improvement Inc.
#16 - 2014-07-28 00:03:01 UTC
Okay, thank you. I didn't look at it from that perspective. Makes sense, bad idea.

Topic can be closed.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#17 - 2014-07-28 04:53:12 UTC
Thread closed at OP's request.

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