Ships & Modules

Do you know that railguns are now generally better all-around than beam lasers? If you still think rails are too weak, maybe sniping weapons as a whole just suck? Other than artillery of course, which brings us back on topic.

EFT it for yourself, I was looking at a Megabeam Apoc and a 425mm Mega.

"Generally Better" when you're looking at a rail boat with both a tracking and damge bonus and a laser boat with a cap and range bonus. Was this with "all 5" or "all 0" skills? Line up the apoc with a 425 Rokh, see how it looks then, and see what happens if you give the rokh an extra TC in place of a tank module (to simulate an additional native tracking boost to rails). Let us know. (seriously. Don't have EFT access right now, but I suspect they'll not be "generally better." Might be "reasonably close" though, in which case we move on to, "yes sniping weapons as a whole just suck.")



1. Or remove both and ditch the scripts. Or rename them to "Turret" Enhancers. Or better yet, leave them alone until the stuff they're screwing up has been sorted because I'd rather encourage CCP to stich up the wound than change the type of band-aid they're using. TE's/TC's *are* probably out of whack, but aren't the answer to "projectiles are too popular and/or powerful."

2. We don't mini-railguns (pulse lasers Mk. II?), and IMO caldari pilots would rather have *fewer* reasons to want to just bolt on blasters... the range bonus is meant for rails, it's just "see above for sniping weapon opinion."

3. Makes a *lot* of sense, blasters don't really have THAT much falloff to get range out of, and both hybrids are generally pants outside of optimal (hence all the ammo flavors and *why* it's so nice to have that 5-second reload now).

As for "ACs never get to do full damage so they're fine," AC's (projectiles in general) do "most" damage for a MUCH wider band than anything else and really only need to change ammo in order to change damage types. Really that's only a complaint compared to missiles, though, as that's the only other weapons system (ignoring drones here) that allows you to significantly change your range without changing your ammo, and they have their own drawbacks (425mm AC boat isn't doing most of its damage at 30+km? How much is your average torp boat going to do at that range?). One of the big complaints is the discrepancy between how easy it is to make that band EVEN BIGGER compared to with other systems so you need EVEN LESS to carry anything but max-damage ammo. That mechanic shouldn't change, but it probably shouldn't be as easily amplified as it is now.

I'm more for reducing the 10% bonus to 5% in all matari ships that have them.

the ships that have this bonus seems to be the ones that "demonize" of sorts this situation.

can't argue with that tbh

Doctrines are often made around uniform theme's. There are also other factors to consider specific to this game, but real life references can be applied.

In eve-online there are 2 races that focus on conventional warfare and 2 races that focus or are limited to irregular warfare. (Roman legion and Greek Hoplite/Spartan sh!t)

The race that has fielded the most powerful conventional ships have been Amarr for a very long time. Legion's of Apocalypse, Armageddon and Abaddons. Once fielded. These ships can only be countered by another mass of the same ship or another conventional fleet with the assistance of stealth bombers.

The Guardian is the most powerful armour logistic ship.

They field the second most powerful strategic cruisers (legions)

The power of these Amarr ships once fielded have no equal, for the most part. At-least In fleet (conventional warfare).

The second most powerful conventional race is Caldari. Mainly with ships battle-cruisers and below. Masses of Drakes or Nighthawks have no equal in it's class. Caldari Field the most powerful strategic cruisers (Tengu).

The basilisk is the most powerful shield logistic ship for conventional warfare.

Caldari can also field the most powerful conventional long range t1 cruisers (Caracals). This all scales. In fact Missiles have almost no equal in fleet engagements below battleship weapon systems.

The benefits of most ships and weapon systems that excel in conventional warfare is limited to very few ships. Most must be able to field very large defences. Large hit-points and resistance. Weapon systems that can project damage the furthest. High damage per second. Abililty to apply damage most of it's damage @ the weapon systems effective range.

This actually makes the use of these ships very linear (easy to use). Uniform in projected and applied damage. Uniform in effective hit-points and damage resistance. All that is required is discipline and the ability to fallow basic orders (lock target! f1, f2, f3. Align, warp etc). These fleets often do not need to move and able to do damage over a vast engagement range.

The other 2 races excel in irregular warfare. One in skirmishing (Mongol) and the other in raiding (Viking). Gallente ships minus drone ships are suppose to be raiders. Blasters limited range regulates them to this activity. The point is to go in and do as much damage as possible and get out. (Gallente ships are having a hard time with the get out part above frigates)
The Taranis, Catalyst, Enyo, Ishkur and Federation Navy Comet are the most effective in this kind of combat in eve. This does not scale @ all.

Minmatar are regulated to skirmishing (most heavy assault ships are able to do this to). They do not have the sustained damage @ range that Amarr and Caldari do. Nor do they compare in defences to Amarr and Caldari ships. Mobile tactics @ ranges where they can disengage and re-engage @ any-time. Allows them to harass superior forces and destroy soft targets. You may notice it takes a massive advantage in numbers of Maelstroms with Artillery to engage a fleet of Abaddons effectively. What should be used is Tempest with artillery to warp around or move around 80,000meters or more outside of Abaddon ranges doing as much damage as possibly to soft targets and then disengaging. When forced to defend a fixed position. Minmatar ships are subpar and need a massive advantage in numbers to compete with Amarr and Caldari ships.

That list shows the ships and weapon systems useful in the 2 most popular form of combat in eve. Skirmishing (irregular warfare) and Conventional warfare. If you see a Hurricane being used more than a Drake. It does not mean a Drake is inferior to a Hurricane. In-fact the Drake is the best skirmishing battle-cruiser in-game. It excels in everything and is not just good @ everything like the Hurricane. So if I see 425mm auto-cannons or Hurricanes above Drakes and heavy Missiles in any form of data. It's not worth looking @ for any other reason than what the most popular doctrines/combat are favoured by fleet commanders and pilots.


-proxyyyy

In order to change damage types and have full damage, you have to stick to stick with EMP, PP or fusion. I don't know exactly what you meant by "most" but the range they get 50% of their DPS is a whooping 18km on a hull w/o falloff bonus. For 75% of their DPS, you're looking at around 12-13km. I really hope you don't think lasers and HAMs are quite that range limited.

edit, this is with two tracking enhancers btw, 425s, etc.

...until two weeks ago
It was called fastest in class.......which is kind of huge. In addition to being double bonused and easy to fit

meanwhile @ amarr engineering headquarters:

"10% energy usage for X turret"

-Awesome Carthum Conglomerate, next time thought try making guns less cap hungry by themselves, so we dont waste a whole ship bonus for this.

the vaga gives a up a bonus for speed, but the faster cynabal, does not. figure that one out.