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Brock Nelson
#21 - 2014-07-23 22:04:16 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:

If we're talking turning off passive ISK making when subs switch off, lets do it properly P


One thing at a time, we know how CCP doesn't like too much work all at once.

BTW, from your list, ghost rp accumulation has been removed around the same time CCP stopped ghost training.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-07-23 22:07:08 UTC
Zaxix wrote:
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Market PriceCheck Alt wrote:
Nerf industry hard enough, and industry players will just walk away. Be very careful what you wish for.

Ghost industry? They will be replaced faster than you think. Replaced by people who actually play the game.

Mallak Azaria wrote:
Market PriceCheck Alt wrote:
Nerf industry hard enough, and industry players will just walk away. Be very careful what you wish for.


And a whole bunch of other people will replace them.

Dream on.

Where are those people today? If they existed, they'd play.


They're doing other things, like ganking fulltime or ratting. Never underestimate peoples ability to do what must be done to survive.

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Modulus Industrial Group
#23 - 2014-07-23 23:07:53 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
Market PriceCheck Alt wrote:
Nerf industry hard enough, and industry players will just walk away. Be very careful what you wish for.


if you start a job and unsub then I could care less if you ***** that your job did not finish.


Couldn't care less.

You "could care less" makes no sense.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2014-07-23 23:21:40 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:


[list]
  • Corps auto disband when their CEO unsubs. Or maybe just the ISK generation side should be restricted: taxes switched off, corp hangars and deliveries made unavailable and corp market/contract system should be blocked?



    • In a lot of games (Ultima Online for example) if the CEO unsubs, or is even offline for too long, the position automatically shifts to whoever in the clan has been online the most, even if its a total noob with no idea of the game who is just online heaps to grind up their starting toon to playable level. It can have hilarious results.
    Marsha Mallow
    #25 - 2014-07-23 23:24:18 UTC
    Brock Nelson wrote:
    BTW, from your list, ghost rp accumulation has been removed around the same time CCP stopped ghost training.

    Ah, I missed the RP changes whilst offline, wasn't sure about that one. RP is worthless now, not particularly bothered.
    Brock Nelson wrote:
    Pre-Crius, you couldn't do this, except maybe with Titan or Super BPOs whose research exceeds the 1 month time limit.

    I *think* you could actually, might be wrong. There's a deviation between subtime and old-style max month research cycles. You used to get a pure 28 days in the research cycle, which is enough to restart your jobs then unsub. This was on copying Cap BPOs rather than ME/PE. Altho sub ME/PE could also be adjusted to remain under subtime, but you lost more than 2 days. Sorry I don't have hard numbers, been a while. I considered using 'ghost research' alts for a while, but 18 were enough at the time. Plus I was training their mains as an aside, so keeping them subbed wasn't just about extracting max profit per alt. Trying this on a large scale reeked of exploit, so I avoided it.

    The copy and research market is done in the sense we understood it. I used to relist your stock and aggressively force prices upwards on various BPCs (One Stop), but tbh the copy market itself was in freefall already because people saw it as an easy money passive scheme. It's a shame to see the researching profession take a hit with Crius, I really enjoyed that market. But it was obstructive to newer indy players in many ways. If some dev somewhere retains the idea of removing NPC seeded BPOs, this could get really entertaining, really fast [fingers crossed]. I'm kicking myself for sitting on 1000s of (now probably worthless) BPCs I didn't make time to sell, but v0v been ignoring them a while. Move on to a new market Brock, go scam MD again or something :P

    Even if passive unsubbed jobs pause or cancel, opening up unlimited slots based on cost just killed the professional researchers/copiers anyway, unless they can catch new trends. Pointing out this particular mechanic - even to the point of having it removed - won't save the market itself. Although you did just alert everyone how to devalue the market even more.

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    Caleb Seremshur
    Commando Guri
    Guristas Pirates
    #26 - 2014-07-24 11:16:20 UTC
    Zaxix wrote:
    Caleb Seremshur wrote:
    Market PriceCheck Alt wrote:
    Nerf industry hard enough, and industry players will just walk away. Be very careful what you wish for.

    Ghost industry? They will be replaced faster than you think. Replaced by people who actually play the game.

    Mallak Azaria wrote:
    Market PriceCheck Alt wrote:
    Nerf industry hard enough, and industry players will just walk away. Be very careful what you wish for.


    And a whole bunch of other people will replace them.

    Dream on.

    Where are those people today? If they existed, they'd play.


    I already dabble in industry. Where is your God now?
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