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SKILLPOINTS SHOULD NEVER BE LOST
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Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#61 - 2014-07-23 14:09:28 UTC
They should make it opt-out. What this means is that when you get podded, you are immediately and automatically bought an up-to-date clone (the clone which is closest to your amount of skillpoints) as long as you have the isk. If you do not have the isk you get a series of warnings. To preserve the choice of choosing to buy/not buy a clone you can add an option where you turn off this automatic opt-in feature. This gives everyone the same choice as they have now, just reverses the default option.

Default options have a very powerful effect on choice and more than 90% of Eve players will just leave the auto udpate feature on both because they are lazy and it is beneficial. The bitter vets who insist on making everything as difficult as possible can just turn the auto update off and update it themselves to feel 'hardcore'. This will make life easier for almost everyone and keep it the same for those who hate change. It will also eliminate threads like this and reduce the amount of people petitioning CCP because they lost skill points.
eliminator2
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2014-07-23 14:12:51 UTC
Bohneik Itohn wrote:
Meh.

Just out of curiosity how much did you lose?

I mean it's kind of hard for me to sympathize since I don't lose that many med clones, and when I do my first reaction is to buy a new one before I even check my own losses... I thought spending those few seconds zoomed in on your broken capsule had that effect on everybody.




also same for me

always check your clone regulary
Iain Cariaba
#63 - 2014-07-23 14:19:29 UTC
Go back to WoW or Hello Kitty Online, or where ever the hell it was you came here from that lets you die endlessly and repeatedly without any penalty. I've lost SP due to low med clone once. My loss of 100k SP was enough to make me pretty rabid about checking my clones. I bet you will be as well, now. Learn from your loss and move on.

No sympathy here.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2014-07-23 14:19:54 UTC
Saleika Issikainen wrote:


I like how people don't see an issue with a game so badly done that external utilities are an outright necessity.


I like how people qualify things that make your life easier as "neccesities".

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Smugest Sniper
neko island
Deedspace Consortium
#65 - 2014-07-23 14:26:10 UTC
Failure to clone is not reasonable grounds for stopping loss of SP, besides you only lose something like 20% at max on the difference between your clone and current SP.

1mil is a drop in the bucket no more than a month if that in skill training. even less with just 2 characters.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#66 - 2014-07-23 14:27:00 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Auto update feature (warning?) would be nice.
Akashi Suenobu
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2014-07-23 15:30:38 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:
Sharing your account is banable ... even 'accidentally' with the kids Shocked


Technically, if they're under 18 (13?) then you can share with them all day, and it's not bannable; as they're unable to legally accept the EULA / TOS.


However, agree that OP should've locked the computer or logged out if going AFK with kids in the house (assuming "Kids" was the cause in the first place).

If "Kids" wasn't the cause, then OP should probably lock the Jack & Jim up before logging in (also, Glenlivet, Macallan, $other_distillery, depending on tastes)



Couple of problems with your post, there. No matter how old the other person is, it's YOU who agreed not to share your account. And just because the person you share it with couldn't sign a contract, doesn't make them not "people" for the purposes of the TOS, which you would still be in violation of. Is anybody going to ban you for letting your kid play a toon on your account? I doubt it. But your "technically" explanation is flat wrong.

Also, a License Agreement operates under different laws than a normal contract, although a license can be part of a contract. If minors couldn't be held to TOS or EULA's, then nobody could get banned from any website for anything as a minor, and you go and get your kid brother to swear on club penguin and see how that goes for you.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#68 - 2014-07-23 15:52:03 UTC
Akashi Suenobu wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:
Sharing your account is banable ... even 'accidentally' with the kids Shocked


Technically, if they're under 18 (13?) then you can share with them all day, and it's not bannable; as they're unable to legally accept the EULA / TOS.


However, agree that OP should've locked the computer or logged out if going AFK with kids in the house (assuming "Kids" was the cause in the first place).

If "Kids" wasn't the cause, then OP should probably lock the Jack & Jim up before logging in (also, Glenlivet, Macallan, $other_distillery, depending on tastes)



Couple of problems with your post, there. No matter how old the other person is, it's YOU who agreed not to share your account. And just because the person you share it with couldn't sign a contract, doesn't make them not "people" for the purposes of the TOS, which you would still be in violation of. Is anybody going to ban you for letting your kid play a toon on your account? I doubt it. But your "technically" explanation is flat wrong.

Also, a License Agreement operates under different laws than a normal contract, although a license can be part of a contract. If minors couldn't be held to TOS or EULA's, then nobody could get banned from any website for anything as a minor, and you go and get your kid brother to swear on club penguin and see how that goes for you.



CCP Games wrote:

You may not share your Account with anyone, or allow anyone other than you personally (or your minor child, if you have registered an Account on behalf of your minor child) to access or use your Account.



Granted the EULA states it as "Made on behalf of" and not "shared with" ... but seeing as it's "your account that you made so your kid could play" ... it's still "Shared" (though not in the "You can play at X time, and I'll play at Y time" sense)

From Here

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Thermodynamics
#69 - 2014-07-23 16:08:10 UTC
How does this ****** thread have 4 pages....?

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#70 - 2014-07-23 16:32:42 UTC
Liam Inkuras wrote:
How does this ****** thread have 4 pages....?


The quality of the shiptoasting in this forum has been on the decline for a while. It's more about a lack of options than any sort of outstanding quality to the thread itself.

Also, all the ISD are probably busy putting out the rage indiuced fires in Feedback and Issues and GD

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#71 - 2014-07-23 17:28:31 UTC
No! Cry more please.

The Tears Must Flow
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#72 - 2014-07-23 18:04:51 UTC
Death Ryder wrote:
I lost 1.3m sp between 2 characters that I thought were up to date in there clones. turns out they weren't. Point isn't that I lost them or overlooked the clones, point is that AFTER overlooking them, they stayed overlooked because something so important doesn't have any warnings associated with it that are easily noticed..


TL:DR

2005 alt moaning that he's too stupid to "remember" to redo his clones after getting podded multiple times and demands CCP fix it with code.....

Get out.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Saleika Issikainen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#73 - 2014-07-23 18:46:13 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Go back to WoW or Hello Kitty Online, or where ever the hell it was you came here from that lets you die endlessly and repeatedly without any penalty. I've lost SP due to low med clone once. My loss of 100k SP was enough to make me pretty rabid about checking my clones. I bet you will be as well, now. Learn from your loss and move on.

No sympathy here.


Did you lose Reading Comprehension II?
Saleika Issikainen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#74 - 2014-07-23 18:50:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Saleika Issikainen
De'Veldrin wrote:
Saleika Issikainen wrote:


I like how people don't see an issue with a game so badly done that external utilities are an outright necessity.


I like how people qualify things that make your life easier as "neccesities".


If you can't tell what part of his post I was referring to, I honestly pity you.
Mazzara
Band of the Red Sun
#75 - 2014-07-23 18:58:23 UTC
+1 I have a safety to keep me from shooting people in high sec, warnings at gates going into low, null and WH space. This seems pretty common sense to me
No matter how much you scrub, how hot of water you use, you can't wash shame!
Mazzara
Band of the Red Sun
#76 - 2014-07-23 19:12:46 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Akashi Suenobu wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:
Sharing your account is banable ... even 'accidentally' with the kids Shocked


Technically, if they're under 18 (13?) then you can share with them all day, and it's not bannable; as they're unable to legally accept the EULA / TOS.


However, agree that OP should've locked the computer or logged out if going AFK with kids in the house (assuming "Kids" was the cause in the first place).

If "Kids" wasn't the cause, then OP should probably lock the Jack & Jim up before logging in (also, Glenlivet, Macallan, $other_distillery, depending on tastes)



Couple of problems with your post, there. No matter how old the other person is, it's YOU who agreed not to share your account. And just because the person you share it with couldn't sign a contract, doesn't make them not "people" for the purposes of the TOS, which you would still be in violation of. Is anybody going to ban you for letting your kid play a toon on your account? I doubt it. But your "technically" explanation is flat wrong.

Also, a License Agreement operates under different laws than a normal contract, although a license can be part of a contract. If minors couldn't be held to TOS or EULA's, then nobody could get banned from any website for anything as a minor, and you go and get your kid brother to swear on club penguin and see how that goes for you.



CCP Games wrote:

You may not share your Account with anyone, or allow anyone other than you personally (or your minor child, if you have registered an Account on behalf of your minor child) to access or use your Account.



Granted the EULA states it as "Made on behalf of" and not "shared with" ... but seeing as it's "your account that you made so your kid could play" ... it's still "Shared" (though not in the "You can play at X time, and I'll play at Y time" sense)

From Here


Most of you guys are way off. Per EULA you can not share your account, but there are exceptions to this, Parent or Guardian, Married, or have a power of attorney.

to sum if up, if you can legally sign, on that persons behalf or they can you, the EULA no share policy can not be applied 
No matter how much you scrub, how hot of water you use, you can't wash shame!
Maldiro Selkurk
Radiation Sickness
#77 - 2014-07-23 19:15:50 UTC
I think you should never lose SPs for any reason.

I would like to see the end to clone upgrading altogether and have them institute a new ISK sink to take its place like requiring all ships to use fuel (except noobie ships and perhaps those types of ships a noobies would need to get started in EVE).

1. if you died you would still lose implants so as to not harm that industry.

2. This adds player based industry (making fuel) while removing NPC industry (upgrading clones).

I leave "types of ships noobies would need", undefined because it would take experimentation to find the proper classifications of ships to add to the list.

Yawn,  I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#78 - 2014-07-23 19:18:32 UTC
this is sort of heresy, but I've never really seen what the clone mechanic adds to the game.

that said, only lost SP once I think (don't podjump in an alpha clone folks).
Vayn Baxtor
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#79 - 2014-07-23 19:20:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Vayn Baxtor
Death Ryder wrote:
Why do people assume at all times that if they do it, everyone that doesn't is a moron? Look if you want to troll something so you can big note your self fine, but do it somewhere else, this maybe a post that seems lame to you but it does affect people and is warranted..


The EVE community these days are all about being douchy.
Feel free to report any trolls.
It is true though that EVE belongs one of those few games where people "Like the threat". Any change to that might make the game feel wrong because there would be no threat or thrill of not getting podded.

As for the suggestion, I agree on the point that it is funny that you have notifications for various stupid things whereas there are no notifications about insufficient SP coverage on the clone. If it takes a 3rd party tool like EVEMON to remind one, then something is wrong.

Yes, you have to be vary about everything in this game. One person is right though. EVE and like other MMORPGs, you should always have your password to yourself. There's simply too much that can go wrong with you're not on your char.

Using tablet, typoes are common and I'm not going to fix them all.

Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#80 - 2014-07-23 20:14:39 UTC
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:
I think you should never lose SPs for any reason.

I would like to see the end to clone upgrading altogether and have them institute a new ISK sink to take its place like requiring all ships to use fuel (except noobie ships and perhaps those types of ships a noobies would need to get started in EVE).

1. if you died you would still lose implants so as to not harm that industry.

2. This adds player based industry (making fuel) while removing NPC industry (upgrading clones).

I leave "types of ships noobies would need", undefined because it would take experimentation to find the proper classifications of ships to add to the list.


It's not an isk sink if players are making the stuff. I think people should just pay more attention to things.

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