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War Dec Exploit - Fix Discussion
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MNagy
Yo-Mama
#1 - 2011-12-07 20:00:35 UTC
I submitted a proposal for an exploit fix and I am surprised I have gotten no comments about the idea or not.

So I am linking it here:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=43149&find=unread

to see if anyone can see any issues with the proposal or if people do infact agree with it.

Cheers'

M.
Karadion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2011-12-07 20:13:33 UTC
No.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2011-12-07 20:15:57 UTC

*lol* How would Hooride707 then get all his kills ?
Barakkus
#4 - 2011-12-07 20:18:29 UTC
I think it should just be a session change to make the app finalize since that's the rule on joining a corp when involved in a war. You must have a session change so everything updates properly to the wartarget corp members.

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc
Alyssa Yotosala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-12-07 22:30:22 UTC
If this exploit is real, then as a player in EVE, it is not up to you to fix the exploit, it is up to you to report said exploit so CCP can fix it.

We are players, not devs.
Abaddons One
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-12-07 22:36:59 UTC
Bad idea is bad.

No reason to change this...at all.

If you arent paying attention enough to see someone start flashy next to you...that's your problem. If you were half decent you'd be paying attention to those around you...neutral or not.
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
#7 - 2011-12-07 22:37:09 UTC
Alyssa Yotosala wrote:
If this exploit is real, then as a player in EVE, it is not up to you to fix the exploit, it is up to you to report said exploit so CCP can fix it.

We are players, not devs.


Spoken like a true Goon.

Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.                   And some days, you're just a man with a gun.
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-12-07 22:45:39 UTC
Abaddons One wrote:
Bad idea is bad.

No reason to change this...at all.

If you arent paying attention enough to see someone start flashy next to you...that's your problem. If you were half decent you'd be paying attention to those around you...neutral or not.



Did you even read the exploit?

"The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB
Abaddons One
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2011-12-07 22:48:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Abaddons One
Montevius Williams wrote:
Abaddons One wrote:
Bad idea is bad.

No reason to change this...at all.

If you arent paying attention enough to see someone start flashy next to you...that's your problem. If you were half decent you'd be paying attention to those around you...neutral or not.



Did you even read the exploit?


An exploit is something used to give an unfair advantage...


Being accepted into a corp - not unfair.

being accepted into a corp and the other guy not paying attention - def not unfair.


edit:

It's called situational awareness...should take a look at what that is.
Alyssa Yotosala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2011-12-07 22:51:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Alyssa Yotosala
Mortis vonShadow wrote:
Alyssa Yotosala wrote:
If this exploit is real, then as a player in EVE, it is not up to you to fix the exploit, it is up to you to report said exploit so CCP can fix it.

We are players, not devs.


Spoken like a true Goon.


Congrats dude, not bad, not bad at all.

Ill rate this a 6/10 Troll attempt.

2 points for brevity.
4 points for clever use of false assumptions coupled with a subtle (but unfortunately still obvious) use of misinformation.

Either your Troll Mojo is strong, or your naivety is truly epic. ( If I was a Goon, I wouldn't hide the fact )
Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#11 - 2011-12-07 22:56:50 UTC
Alyssa Yotosala wrote:
If this exploit is real, then as a player in EVE, it is not up to you to fix the exploit, it is up to you to report said exploit so CCP can fix it.

We are players, not devs.


Because CCP is all there to begin with! Where would we be without their infinite wisdom & forethought!

..............wait wat

The pie is a tautology
Alyssa Yotosala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-12-07 23:00:36 UTC
Paragon Renegade wrote:
Alyssa Yotosala wrote:
If this exploit is real, then as a player in EVE, it is not up to you to fix the exploit, it is up to you to report said exploit so CCP can fix it.

We are players, not devs.


Because CCP is all there to begin with! Where would we be without their infinite wisdom & forethought!

..............wait wat


I never said or assumed that CCP would do a good job, but only that the job to fix exploits lies with them, not us players.

Our job is to inform them of discovered exploits, their job is to fix it if required.
Kazuma Ry
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2011-12-07 23:07:35 UTC
When I started Eve, I was told "Trust No One". I think they aren't passing that tid-bit of info on anymore.

I don't even trust mining ships or transport ships, if they get too close to me.
Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#14 - 2011-12-07 23:15:07 UTC
Alyssa Yotosala wrote:


Our job is to inform them of discovered exploits, their job is to fix it if required.


MLG, a third-party from Microsoft & Bungie, informs them on how to balance Halo games.

CSM has an identical function.

If we propose a solution that works (You know, like THE JITA PROTESTS) CCP will listen if it has any brains at all. This is claled a reciprocative relationship; we give them ideas, feedback & money, they give us limitless lulz and a decade of explosions.

The pie is a tautology
Abaddons One
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2011-12-07 23:18:47 UTC
Paragon Renegade wrote:
Alyssa Yotosala wrote:


Our job is to inform them of discovered exploits, their job is to fix it if required.


MLG, a third-party from Microsoft & Bungie, informs them on how to balance Halo games.

CSM has an identical function.

If we propose a solution that works (You know, like THE JITA PROTESTS) CCP will listen if it has any brains at all. This is claled a reciprocative relationship; we give them ideas, feedback & money, they give us limitless lulz and a decade of explosions.


But not every solution belongs to a real problem

<.hint.> This thread <./hint.>
MNagy
Yo-Mama
#16 - 2011-12-08 19:08:33 UTC
Kazuma Ry wrote:
When I started Eve, I was told "Trust No One". I think they aren't passing that tid-bit of info on anymore.

I don't even trust mining ships or transport ships, if they get too close to me.



To add to this....
An NPC player can LOCK onto your ship - BOUNCE corps, and initiate the scram.

There is no warning other than the locking mechanism (you are being locked onto).

The solution propopsed elegantly removes the exploit - I am actually surprised people have an issue with a fix.
The only people who would really have a problem with this are people who join a corp and want to be in that corp the next second for pvp purposes im assuming.

And to reply about us being players and ccp being devs.
These forums are here for ideas and discussions. If a proposal speeds up a fix in the game - it benefits all.
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2011-12-08 19:10:06 UTC
MNagy wrote:


An NPC player



Is he from Oxymoron Corporation?

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2011-12-08 19:13:55 UTC
MNagy wrote:
Kazuma Ry wrote:
When I started Eve, I was told "Trust No One". I think they aren't passing that tid-bit of info on anymore.

I don't even trust mining ships or transport ships, if they get too close to me.



To add to this....
An NPC player can LOCK onto your ship - BOUNCE corps, and initiate the scram.

There is no warning other than the locking mechanism (you are being locked onto).

The solution propopsed elegantly removes the exploit - I am actually surprised people have an issue with a fix.
The only people who would really have a problem with this are people who join a corp and want to be in that corp the next second for pvp purposes im assuming.

And to reply about us being players and ccp being devs.
These forums are here for ideas and discussions. If a proposal speeds up a fix in the game - it benefits all.


For some odd reason, i have set you to blue.
I can't remember you, but that's typical for me, because there's too many people around.

I start to see why i've blued you, though. You have good intentions.
I'm all for removing that crap, because it shouldn't be that people can attack others legally
without them knowing why this actually happens. They can't even read it up.
It's just there.

"Hey ... he locked me. Ha, idiot, can't shoot me anyway."

BOOM

"WTF HAPPENED HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE ?!?!?!?!?!"


I'm all for a change, you have my vote. :)
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#19 - 2011-12-08 19:56:44 UTC
no

however you do get a 6/10 for evading having your original post moved to the place threads go to die
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2011-12-09 01:59:09 UTC
Abaddons One wrote:
Montevius Williams wrote:
Abaddons One wrote:
Bad idea is bad.

No reason to change this...at all.

If you arent paying attention enough to see someone start flashy next to you...that's your problem. If you were half decent you'd be paying attention to those around you...neutral or not.



Did you even read the exploit?


An exploit is something used to give an unfair advantage...


Being accepted into a corp - not unfair.

being accepted into a corp and the other guy not paying attention - def not unfair.


edit:

It's called situational awareness...should take a look at what that is.


The problem is is this doesnt give you time to react to the sit awareness that you are talking about. One minute your looking at a neutral party and the next hes flashing red. EVE is harsh I know but thats just bad game design.

HOWEVER, so is the wardec shield and corp/alliance hopping during a wardec so...

If Wardec shield wont be fixed, I see no need to fix this.

"The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB
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