Science & Industry

As you may have noticed, CCP (and especially there Team Game of Drones) is very interested in your opinion, preferences and behavior regarding Science & Industry in EVE.

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Thank you!

have the results from the survey been looked at already/prioritized?

You all need to swallow the fact that it is awful old python and redo the POS system. Most end game S&I uses POSes, any serious inverter, manufacturer, or researcher uses POSes due to the time bonuses (except for the rapid and advanced assembly arrays, they are literally useless due to the increased material cost). The entire t2 production process, POSes, moon miner mining, simple reactions, and then advances reactions, inventing on the t1 BPCs (t2 BPOs are an entirely different discussion), only the end construction components are even thought to be made in a station due to how fast they produce, and t2 ships are all also produced in stations due to the increase ME cost of using an advanced ship assembly array.

Not to mention the fact that supers and titans have to be produced in a POS.

I believe a major priority should be to address POCO taxes.

The emergence of griefer-like taxation levels in HISEC is starting to make PI unviable for noobs like me starting out in EVE.

This is an ISK hungry game - and it is a very attractive option to sink a lot of time and effort in to getting a PI operation underway so that new players can enjoy the broad range of gaming experiences EVE offers.

But if that investment can be quixotically put at risk when a griefer corporation takes over the POCO and whacks taxes right up to >30% - it means there is no real return on investment.

I've already had to write off one PI base for this thing. And the same corporation has started taking over POCOs (and upping the tax rates) where I relocated to.

I thought PI was introduced partially as a way of engaging newbie players by offering the lower level returns in hisec to allow them to get a toe-hold in the game - griefer taxes effectively close off this avenue - is this the desired effect?

I do not know enough about the mechanics of the game to suggest how this should be addressed, but there is no sanction on a griefer corp doing this. One option would be for POCO owner to receive a penalty for liquidated bases - to be reimbursed to the PI owner.

Alternatively, some provisional taxation burdens on POCO owners - again - so that if a base is liquidated due to griefer taxation, the POCO owners have to pay future taxes based on prior revenue records. Again incentivising retaining PI bases.

I know to those that just want to harvest tears - these may be small penalties - but in hisec, there has to be some kind of expecation of some consequences of griefing? There is for ganking! And taxation griefing can easily have the same ISK impact on PI base owners!

I would love empire based industry to be allowed to flourish a lot more. I feel the mega alliances in null sec pretty much got the game by the balls.

Here is my suggestion
Allow of empire P.I. to be worth while
Allow ABC minerals to be scanned down I dont just mean Jaspet .... but make it rare and in limited amount just like Ice fields are now
CCP please stop trying to force player into low sec/null sec

CCP/Moderator,
-It seemed to fit with this topic.
-I'm not sure this is on the right thread, please move accordingly.

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UI Suggestions
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Why not make the S&I UI (to start with) a modular approach, similar to what CMS like Drupal does for website building? This would allow many of us to customize the view based on our needs.

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Simplified overview example
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1-Pick width.

• Percent
• Pixel

2-Pick # of column

• 1 column
• 2 column
• 3 column

3-Input column size
4-Chose module for each column
5-Save setting
6-Assign to a button

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Modules example for production
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1a-Materials required (Text)
1b-Materials required (S-Icon)
1c-Materials required (L-Icon)

2a-Skills required (Text)
...
3a-ME level total (Text)
...
4a-ME level breakdown (Text)
...
5a-PE level (Text)
...
6a-PE level breakdown (Text)
...
7a-Cost of job installation (Text)
...
8a-BPO Search Box

etc....

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Other items to make it work
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-Give ability to Import / Export settings (like fits)

• Share with your corp mates / alliance, etc

-Give the ability to open the S&I with specific settings (Via buttons in Neo comm)

• Ability to separate/customize your view based on the job you are currently doing:
• Install job,
• Deliver Jobs,
• Review BPO, etc)

-Ability for modules to "overflow" in next column.
-Ability for modules more then one column.

-This way, CCP can create the "default" and user friendly UI.
-The community can create the "power user" and "Job Specify" UI.
-Add modules with the right hooks could be a lot simpler to implement, then re-writing an entire UI just for a small change.
-You could easily add PI module, Research modules, etc.

Players would end up with a "dashboard" approach based on the Industry they currently perform.

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CCP I have to say that the whole not having to have standings to anchor a pos in high sec is about the craziest thing I have heard in a while are you trying to turn high sec in to null sec or what? I mean seriously before jumping the gun on things such as this why not get more player opinions as to what we think would make this game better after all we are the ones who keep it going. I may be completely wrong and if so apologies to all who took the time to read it but if things keep going in this direction theirs no point in having borders thus no point in playing because it takes the fun out of it for the little guys because if its that easy to place a pos then everyone will just pay mercs to clear out everyone until the next person comes along willing to pay to have them kicked out. Also War Decks! all one has to do is war deck and let it expire and not be out much while the people being WD is out of everything they worked hard for its pretty pathetic the people that can actually afford a war have nothing to stand in their way from WDing at will it needs to be fixed. MAke anyone who war decks pay a weekly fee no matter what so that atleast it cost them something to take everything from another player.

Hello CCP,

i want the old UI back, the new UI eat half of my screen for this flashy blueprint-cake!
When i haven't activated a blueprint, then minimize this blueprint-cake please. As an industryworker i need at first pure overview, not blinky blinky, im so shiny, watch me, im so blinky shiny.

I want my green "ready"-status back, was fine visible, but now i have to search for a darkgrey slow flashing button, make the button green.

Oh, and the babyblue color is bad readable, if you have mediumgrey as theme like me.

And do a corphangar have now a limit of space? Can't deliver my ships now.

Oh, the finale product don't interesting me much, productiontime and cost are more interesting.

I rarely post in the forums, but so far I am very pleased with the overall redesign of the UI for S&I. With that said, the fact that we are now having to pay to research blueprints at POS's that we own is a major let down. We have to pay to fuel the tower, buy the labs and arrays, and now spend up to millions of isk to research a BPO that we had to pay millions for in many cases? In my opinion this change alone is going to seriously damage the industry which it was supposedly trying to help.

I am mainly an industrialist, and with the new changes it makes me want to quit altogether, which I might do, and then "hey, it's not my problem any more."

- I like the new interface (even though it takes a while to get used to it)
- I like that I can see at a glance my ME and TE numbers.
- I like that it is easy to see my BPOs/BPCs no matter where they are.

- I've not worked out how I can determine how much a research or manufacturing job would cost in other systems.
- I don’ t know how to check the system index thingy to show me the cheapest place to uproot my entire manufacturing effort to.

- I am not sure the system index of the system I am in but the costs to put a T1 Destroyer TE from 0 to 20% was 28m and would take 66days is abysmal and from what i read on the forums about other people and the costs they are getting it would seem that currently industry is dead in the water. IF prices increase to cover such new costs then the costs to replace even basic ships and fittings will be astronomical.
-I have not seen any CCP responses to any of the fears/questions on these costs so not sure if these are working as intended or if they have dropped the ball and totally screwed industry (not that that would be admitted anyway).