EVE General Discussion

I assumed the changes CCP discussed in the dev blogs and forums would be beneficial. I have yet to see how this is the case. Non-elite corps who focused on research and manufacturing appear to have been given their pink slips by CCP, as the changes make it much harder to use the benefits of a POS unless you're a big time research/manufacturing corp. Add to that the increased inconvenience of using a POS unless you're a big corp. The added "system tax" fees and the need to put the bpos in the POS instead of being able to store bpos at a station within several jumps further add to the inconvenience for anyone not in a big corp. Why bother having a POS if you're not a big corp now?

Pardon the skepticism, and fan bois need not reply, but this seems to be a step backward from CCP's presumed goal of empowering the regular player, who pay their bills, and inviting more of those players in.

They removed station queues - ie a player like me that operated a small research pos for 2 years to get around the historically absurd queues on me research and bpo copying can just use a station now, so I pulled up my pos because I don't need it. That is more, not less accessible to little corps/individuals.

And forgot to add to the last, okay, so individuals gain a little more access. What about my original question: what is the point of a POS now for non-elite corps?

Lets not forget about the nerfed POS anchoring standings requirements. That alone put several corps out of business who specialized in corp creation and pos anchoring sevices.

I think most reseach corporations without other means of income will be flat lining soon as well.

- Throws in the obligatory, "This is Eve, adapt or die."

If the pos does things better, and everyone will pay roughly the same fee to use a pos... then the issue is what?

You and your competitors pay roughly the same. You can do things more efficiently in a pos then a station. I really don;t see how this kills anything. And if you grab your pos and move to a back water system it will be cheaper then your competitors. Just make the pos harder to kill so someone won;t bug you if they are looking for targets..

adapt or die, it really is not bloody hard.

Or is there something i am totally missing cause i'm just not seeing it.

No, apparently you're not seeing "it," the impact on the general player and corp who could afford to compete before this. Have you failed to see how many people are closing their POS's as a result? While it's true that general players and their competitors pay the same, the ability to cover the costs is not the same across the board, as you seem to assume. Smaller corps now have to pay the same price as larger corps, which further reduces the likelihood of smaller corps forming and prospering in industry. One of the enjoyments of Eve over the years has been CCP's efforts at making and maintaining space (no, not outer space) and opportunities outside large corps and alliances.

Knee jerking is pretty important, I guess

Players are closing POSes because they no longer need multiple to run efficiently.
Players are closing POSes because they now have cheaper and more effective options elsewhere.

I don't see where someone was running an effective POS before can't do it now.

A: Sov holders pay less for a POS.
B: Outposts beat POS hands down despite one time cost only.

In saying that most POS being pulled down were research POS from what I've seen, who's owners will now just use the stations which are no longer queued up for 100 days at a time. Those who do a large enough bulk to make a POS pay for itself will still use one.

I laughed so hard when I realized that what you really meant was "CCP catering to highsec".

Just for you:

Highsec Decline

Written by Unsuccessful at Everything
Produced by Unsuccessful Productions™
Loosely based on "I will survive" by Gloria Gaynor

When Crius first launched, I was mortified.
kept thinking I can no longer play which kinda made me cry,
But then I spent like five minutes
looking through the patch notes..
And I found it wrong..
This whole patch of yours is wrong!
Ill throw it back!
right in your face!
CCP just ruined my submarine game in fluidic space!
All my whine threads have gotten locks,
Threads all closed by ISDs,
Had I known what to expect, I probably sue CCP!
I cant even go, right out the door!
Ill just unsub now,
I feel im not welcome anymore,
Ill biomass my toons, write a QQ thread and cry,
Ill watch your server crumble,
Ill watch your evil game die!

So I wave bye, to highsec decline!
Oh as long as you wont cater to me,
Ill go play WoW and thrive.
Ive got subs with ESO,
Im looking forward to SC, so goodbye
Highsec's declined, hey hey.

It took all the skills I had just to build cap parts,
Now lowsecs better for that, you bastards broke my heart!
And I spent all this cash on subs,
For years I trained my toons,
to sit in station and refine mission loot.
You took that from me, my perfect refine too.
Im not going to sit in highsec and watch it get screwed.
So you buffed my barges more
And thought that would appease me,
Now ill be spending all my dough on games that will cater to me!
I cant even go, right out my door!
Ill just unsub now,
I feel im not welcome anymore.
Ill biomass my toons, write a QQ thread and cry,
Ill watch your sub numbers crumble,
Ill watch your game dry up and die!

So I wave bye, to highsec decline!
Oh as long as you wont cater to me,
Ill go play WoW and thrive.
Ive got subs with ESO,
Im looking forward to SC, so goodbye..
Highsec's declined, hey hey.