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Len Ross
Doomheim
#21 - 2014-07-22 19:36:13 UTC
Well I've been playing it for a couple of hours and came to this conclusion

CCP has bowed to the null sec cartels and gankers and with this industry patch pretty much told us hi sec dwellers to go sit on a pole.

roll on elite 4
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#22 - 2014-07-22 19:38:58 UTC
Len Ross wrote:
CCP has bowed to the null sec cartels and gankers and with this industry patch pretty much told us hi sec dwellers to go sit on a pole.
How so?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#23 - 2014-07-22 19:39:29 UTC
Loving it so far.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#24 - 2014-07-22 19:42:16 UTC
Len Ross wrote:
No appreciation here. 52% refine from 100% which took months of training and grind.
Retrievers costing 37 mill to build that are on the market for 27
All scaling's are at 10% EVERYWHERE!! Ive looked in hi/low sec. Bet its awesome in null.

Feels like I've had a solid kick in the slabs.

Slick interface but unfortunately I'm bowing out of the mining/industry business after 4 years. Don't say yay for a new PVP player, the cost ships will become will make it impossible to replace. And no I will NOT buy plexes



To your second point, you do realze that they are low due to old inventory. once the old stuff goes away and people realize they are losing 10m per, the price will go up. Unless they are idiots, and sell T3 subsystems at -2m build cost.

And why you bitchin? ask me how long *I* have had perfect refine. I dare you, go ahead an ask.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#25 - 2014-07-22 19:43:51 UTC
Len Ross wrote:
Well I've been playing it for a couple of hours and came to this conclusion

CCP has bowed to the null sec cartels and gankers and with this industry patch pretty much told us hi sec dwellers to go sit on a pole.

roll on elite 4



As tippia said, how so? In addition, what? you really think HS should be better then 0.0? Really?

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Len Ross
Doomheim
#26 - 2014-07-22 19:44:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Len Ross
3 years of grinding station in every faction to get 100% all taken away with a patch.
Ridiculous manufacturing costs in low and hi sec.
Ridiculous BP research prices and nerfed bps.
Gankers already rubbing their hands together waiting to attack POS's for the chance of someone putting in a BPO for research or manufacture.

Having to grind grind grind to get less isk than Hi sec industry used to pay. No I will not buy plexes to fund PVP gameplay I see that is the target here.

Null sec seems to have had a buff and none of this affects them. Only hurts us industrialists in HI sec.

Why do I have to be forced to go to null sec? I have no interest in null sec.

I stand by what I said
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#27 - 2014-07-22 20:02:15 UTC
Len Ross wrote:
3 years of grinding station in every faction to get 100% all taken away with a patch.
Ridiculous manufacturing costs in low and hi sec.
Ridiculous BP research prices and nerfed bps.
Gankers already rubbing their hands together waiting to attack POS's for the chance of someone putting in a BPO for research or manufacture.

Having to grind grind grind to get less isk than Hi sec industry used to pay. No I will not buy plexes to fund PVP gameplay I see that is the target here.

Null sec seems to have had a buff and none of this affects them. Only hurts us industrialists in HI sec.

Why do I have to be forced to go to null sec? I have no interest in null sec.

I stand by what I said



Try 10 years.

Cost are high because it just got released, maybe you need to go to a different system

They are not nerfered. You never got any advantage once you got ME and PE to over 20 anyway in the old system.

So don't use pos'? You no longer need to as slots are removed, you can easily hunt around for a lower cost system. Or put crap on your pos to deter people from attacking you. Like oh idk, not using a small?

Why grind? I make plenty of money without having to grind a damn thing. I used to live fine off a little mining here and there, or the occasional mission. Always had just enough to buy the ship I wanted and sit on my ass recruiting and running an alliance all day... clearly you are doing ti wrong.

Null sec needs a buff. Clearly you have never lived there, they should not need to import crap from HS. Manufacturing in a pos was a joke, at least now its somewhat viable for WH or null corps to refine/build in one.

No one is forcing you to do anything. If you have to rind to make isk... again.. you are CLEARLY doing it wrong.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Quit Whining
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2014-07-22 20:20:16 UTC
DaReaper wrote:


They are not nerfered. You never got any advantage once you got ME and PE to over 20 anyway in the old system.

.


They are. I have an Erebus BPC I just checked, requires an extra 50 components for each capital part now, so that's about 10B added on to build cost :)
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#29 - 2014-07-22 20:29:34 UTC
Norrin Ellis wrote:
Training industry skills to get 100% refining / reprocessing only to have it taken away seems like a punch in the gut.



Math it out using one of the many outdated web sites available.

You get the exact same results, even better if you push the bar.

333 Pyro got you 11 Nocxium

33,300 got you 1100

Now 33,300 same skills, same station gets you 1130. Cap 5 on pyro reproc (I have 4) add a .52 array, add an Implant 4% and HS reproc on mining is going to net you more minerals than it did prior to Crius.

Loot reproc got a massive punch in the face. Even the lowly metal scraps got cut in two and crapmetal proc is remainder bonus so 10% from level 5 is 5% bonus, 55% reproc.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#30 - 2014-07-22 20:34:30 UTC
Quit Whining wrote:
DaReaper wrote:


They are not nerfered. You never got any advantage once you got ME and PE to over 20 anyway in the old system.

.


They are. I have an Erebus BPC I just checked, requires an extra 50 components for each capital part now, so that's about 10B added on to build cost :)


are you also taking into account that they removed 'waste' and readded this into the build of the unit? where as before they did not do that?

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#31 - 2014-07-22 20:35:40 UTC
Len Ross wrote:
3 years of grinding station in every faction to get 100% all taken away with a patch.
Ridiculous manufacturing costs in low and hi sec.
Ridiculous BP research prices and nerfed bps.
Gankers already rubbing their hands together waiting to attack POS's for the chance of someone putting in a BPO for research or manufacture.

Having to grind grind grind to get less isk than Hi sec industry used to pay. No I will not buy plexes to fund PVP gameplay I see that is the target here.

Null sec seems to have had a buff and none of this affects them. Only hurts us industrialists in HI sec.

Why do I have to be forced to go to null sec? I have no interest in null sec.

I stand by what I said


This is for you.

Time to spread your wings and leave highsec if you want the best rewards.
Kijimea
Doomheim
#32 - 2014-07-22 20:36:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Kijimea
Cannot describe how much i love crius. Not.
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#33 - 2014-07-22 20:51:53 UTC
Best expansion ever I will cherish this feel until 1st time I log in.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Len Ross
Doomheim
#34 - 2014-07-22 20:52:54 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Len Ross wrote:
3 years of grinding station in every faction to get 100% all taken away with a patch.
Ridiculous manufacturing costs in low and hi sec.
Ridiculous BP research prices and nerfed bps.
Gankers already rubbing their hands together waiting to attack POS's for the chance of someone putting in a BPO for research or manufacture.

Having to grind grind grind to get less isk than Hi sec industry used to pay. No I will not buy plexes to fund PVP gameplay I see that is the target here.

Null sec seems to have had a buff and none of this affects them. Only hurts us industrialists in HI sec.

Why do I have to be forced to go to null sec? I have no interest in null sec.

I stand by what I said


This is for you.

Time to spread your wings and leave highsec if you want the best rewards.


+1 Only thing on eve today that's made me smile.
Null sec isn't for a solo player. I like being solo. I like ( liked) eve not corps.
Im going to have an eve break get rid of this bitterness. If it doesn't go away ill distribute my stuff.
Dally Lama
Doomheim
#35 - 2014-07-22 21:00:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Dally Lama
Len Ross wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Len Ross wrote:
3 years of grinding station in every faction to get 100% all taken away with a patch.
Ridiculous manufacturing costs in low and hi sec.
Ridiculous BP research prices and nerfed bps.
Gankers already rubbing their hands together waiting to attack POS's for the chance of someone putting in a BPO for research or manufacture.

Having to grind grind grind to get less isk than Hi sec industry used to pay. No I will not buy plexes to fund PVP gameplay I see that is the target here.

Null sec seems to have had a buff and none of this affects them. Only hurts us industrialists in HI sec.

Why do I have to be forced to go to null sec? I have no interest in null sec.

I stand by what I said


This is for you.

Time to spread your wings and leave highsec if you want the best rewards.


+1 Only thing on eve today that's made me smile.
Null sec isn't for a solo player. I like being solo. I like ( liked) eve not corps.
Im going to have an eve break get rid of this bitterness. If it doesn't go away ill distribute my stuff.

Oh jolly! Never had the chance to be the first to say this...

Can I haz it?

New Fitting Window | Distances above 10km | Maximums for buy orders
Sir SmashAlot
The League of Extraordinary Opportunists
Intergalactic Conservation Movement
#36 - 2014-07-22 21:47:32 UTC
My left mouse button thanks you!
Quit Whining
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2014-07-22 22:03:30 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
Quit Whining wrote:
DaReaper wrote:


They are not nerfered. You never got any advantage once you got ME and PE to over 20 anyway in the old system.

.


They are. I have an Erebus BPC I just checked, requires an extra 50 components for each capital part now, so that's about 10B added on to build cost :)


are you also taking into account that they removed 'waste' and readded this into the build of the unit? where as before they did not do that?


I'm taking into account that x number of each part were required to start the manufacturing job pre-patch and now x+~50 of each part are required to start the job.
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#38 - 2014-07-22 22:13:04 UTC
Well... CCP kinda saved my ass. I'm what real industrials call an utter failure at research. The person to mock.
My personal project to have a researched T1 BPO of every kind was taking quite a while. The mods were all 250/250 (including "old" rigs - now large) and the ships 100/100.

Now I cant fail anymore. I may even finish my project before old age prevents me from logging in. So.... thank you CCP?
Anthar Thebess
#39 - 2014-07-22 22:17:17 UTC
Players Online <30k.
In a day when important mini expansion go live!
Did someone in CCP miscalculated , what needs to be changed or fixed in order for people click "Reactivate Account" button?

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Show your support to The Cause!
Zinther Del'Ara
Crysonian
#40 - 2014-07-22 22:21:41 UTC
Len Ross wrote:
No appreciation here. 52% refine from 100% which took months of training and grind.
Retrievers costing 37 mill to build that are on the market for 27
All scaling's are at 10% EVERYWHERE!! Ive looked in hi/low sec. Bet its awesome in null.

Feels like I've had a solid kick in the slabs.

Slick interface but unfortunately I'm bowing out of the mining/industry business after 4 years. Don't say yay for a new PVP player, the cost ships will become will make it impossible to replace. And no I will NOT buy plexes



It's getting dumbed down for the mobile generation. I should have known from the omni damage, and mineral requirements on the bastion module.

Eve used to be a harsh mistress, now she's a bimbo.